And you can keep living in your dreamworld where, thanks to your vocal exploits here on goonersweb and by not actually watching games or having anything to do with the club, Wenger, the Board and the owner will all commit seppuku and magically we will win trophies again. Who's the bigger fool I wonder. I think it's you.Originally Posted by ItsMe
This isn't a dream pal, it's a nightmare a nightmare watching the club go down the pan like this.
Yeah I'm the fool who's been calling it for years that's right, let's stick with a loser of a manager for another 7 years and see where we are then shall we? You blame the players but as I said before the don't build the team, or set the tactics, or pick the players, or discipline the players, or buy and sell the players, or study the opposition, or plan for the teams future etc etc.
It's easy to blame those who in reality have little to do with the problem, but you keep it up if it makes you feel better, then we can have the same conversation in a year's time and a year after that, and a year after that etc etc
After 8 years of service to Arsenal, you wish his career to be over? Technically, he's still our player as well. I know it's heat of the moment talk, but damn..show some class.
What also cracks me is that everyone on here to some extent agrees with what RVP said about the club. We lack ambition and CL qualification isn't a trophy. We can all agree that there are fundamental problems at the heart of this club and it needs fixing. Whether you blame the Board, Wenger...we can all agree that there is a problem and we all want to see a change. If we want to see that, why wouldn't the players? And why should RVP sit under this regime as accept a new contract if he disagrees with the direction we're going in? He released a statement. So what. We're going to nitpick over it's tone, timing or whatever other bullshit? He could have done a Henry and tried to release an emotional video message and there would still be cynical people on here shouting abuse.
More like 1 year of service to arsenal.
I think we should clear up this 1 year out of 8 nonsense. I used to think RVP was inconsistent as a younger player, and he was for a while, but, I remember he always used to go on scoring runs before getting injured, sometimes winning player of the month etc.
If you look at his records which I think has already been pointed out in this thread:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/...persie?cc=5739
for a guy who was almost always perennially injured for large parts of a season, he's always into double figures for goals and a decent number of assists. The fact is whenever he's been fit, he's contributed to the team, its not his fault if he's been injured. A lot of people are taking notice, even opposition fans are saying that he's only had 1-2 good seasons with this scoring run, but that's because this is the first time he's had an extended run of fitness.
The guy has contributed when he could, part of your contract means that the club covers your medical treatment for injuries, yes, even for internationals as distasteful as they are. He's got one year left and he wants to move on, he's not the first and won't be the last until the direction of the club changes.
Nasri said last year he wanted to leave at the start of the summer, but the cesc stuff that kept dragging on and on and the fact wenger didn't want to lose both him and nasri, till the board and kroenke told him to take man city's money eventually made it happen. RVP wanted to go a long time ago but has been gagged. The way he's gone about it seems sour, but remember the club were trying to make out in the summer he was only after wages, so he's hit back.
Its also a bit rich, considering the club care more about profit more than the pitch. Who were the ones selling their shares, making a tidy profit whilst the team is ailing on the pitch. PHW admits in his reply to the Usmanov piece that he made a tidy sum of money. Last year we were only too happy to take £20m off the hands of city for nasri in the final year of his contract, so the money argument should be levelled at the club too. RVP wanted investment in the team to compete. Podolski and Giroud are nice, but thats not enough to win the league, which has been happening season after season, and lets be honest, they're both replacements for Arshavin and RVP, not additionally really strengthening the team. I doubt we'll win anything else under wenger.
Fans shouldn't let the way RVP's gone about it deflect from the real problems, namely why a club like arsenal has its best players leaving or with the threat of leaving every summer. Why does that keep happening I wonder?
No they didn't. PnG tried making that link but was proven wrong.
I agree with that. I'm not a fan of RVP but the big issue is the board. I know PHW no longer holds shares, but read his comments in the Guardian article linked to show how lacking in ambition these people really are.Fans shouldn't let the way RVP's gone about it deflect from the real problems, namely why a club like arsenal has its best players leaving or with the threat of leaving every summer. Why does that keep happening I wonder?
Well wasn't it wenger who said that if he was after wages he'd join city. And PHW has now come out with the old we can't pay 200k a week for a player with our wage structure etc. Even Gazidis I'm thought hinted at wages during some of his comments, unless I've got it wrong. It smacked of PR. Season ticket renewals were coming up so the club gagged RVP from announcing his future, got in Giroud as a replacement, and had noises coming out that 'well, we tried, BBC sport and SKy Sports "understands" that we want all three to play together, but if Van the ma wants higher wages he'll go.'
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