Syn and GB. would be rolling in it if they'd placed bets on who would reply to my post.
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Syn and GB. would be rolling in it if they'd placed bets on who would reply to my post.
Opportunity missed.
Dein was on SSN again talking about RVP and trophies; he didn't say anything different from what you'd expect a board member to say.
Neither should it be about the team with the richest owners cherry picking the best players and mopping up the trophies, but it is.Originally Posted by Joker
Never said it should be, and in an ideal world both "business" models wouldn't see the light of day in football. However, we are where we are and if I had to choose at gunpoint one of the two models, I have to say that the "sugardaddy" model at least maintains the pretence that what happens on the pitch matters, probably because these rich owners aren't actually acting as businessmen, but are rather owning football clubs in the same way they own art work. True, it's a vanity project for many of them but you get the sense that people like Ambramovich and the Sheikh are true football fans, and therefore understand that treating football clubs like any other business is not right and the fans won't stand for it. People like Kroenke have no interest in football, and are acting purely as businessmen, which is why they keep emphasising the "self sustainable" business model.
No he isn't, although in the current climate I think it's about as good as we can expect.
I don't agree with this, I do think he's happy with it as he proudly talks about achieving this. Someone not happy with getting 3rd/4th wouldn't talk about it like he does. I'm not saying he doesn't want to win, but he's happy enough with where we are.
As for being as good as we can achieve, I don't agree, investment in the right places will have us challenging, at the end of the day there's only so many players you can play in one game.....if we had the team of 10 years ago we'd be right up there and there's no reason why we couldn't get players of that quality in again IMO.
I think he's happy in the sense that finishing 3rd behind a side who spent a billion to buy the title and a side managed by the best manager arguably in football history isn't that bad an achievement. Certainly not one which could have been achieved were Wenger as incompetent as you maintain. I do think he feels the lack of silverware is a failure though, he certainly should do, and I don't believe for one moment he's happy about that.
Investment would certainly see us closer and we should be pushing harder, I'd agree with that. And I agree if we had the quality we had 10 years ago we would be challenging much harder. But I don't agree there's no reason we can't get players of that quality. 10 years ago we didn't have a stadium to pay off, we weren't competing with teams backed by billionaires and we weren't in a climate where those uber-rich clubs could inflate transfer fees and wages to the point where no 'normal' club can compete. I forget the figure exactly but it was something like 117% of City's income that City spent on wages last year. Just wages! Obviously all the transfer fees, not to mention the running of the club, is on top of that. Is it reasonable to lambast Wenger for finishing below a team who can do that?
Wenger certainly has his faults and his stubbornness and princibles (which I don't entirely disagree with but a bit of pragmatism would have been nice) has probably cost us silverware over the last 7 years. But you don't finish in the top few every year by being completely incompetent and the rise and rise of the billionaires have made it far harder to compete and get the quality we once could.
You've done your defensive part for the past 7 years or so and it's getting tiresome. You have the same conversation with Zimm each week and make constant excuses for Wenger. It's the stadium, sugar daddy, the board...whatever.
Man United found a way to beat City last year with a very weak team and City won the league this year on goal difference. City have the money but it is impossible for them to win the league each and every single year just because they buy top stars. That model leads to self destruction. Real Madrid screwed themselves over when they kept on buying superstars. It leads to in fighting and squabbling. Plus, it's very hard for a coach to keep his team focused and hungry season after season when they've won the league. What happened to Real Madrid, also happened to Chelsea when they bought Ballack and co just for the fun of it. City won't win the league every year that way.
Okay, Wenger isn't incompetent, but what is he going to do to turn things around because it's not impossible. Is he the man to push us on? Will he actually stand up to the board and demand change or will he sit comfy while he picks up a pay cheque? He's a big part of this and has actively mislead the fans about our situation and has to be accountable for that. Without him, the Board would never be able to get away with what their doing. He backed their move to raise ticket prices and suggested we needed to do in order to remain competitive. How can that be excused and overlooked?
sorry what? if you think these guys really care about football then there is no point anymore. you say our board just concern themselves with making profit etc, these guys care about that too, if they dont win, they woudl fuck off so quickly because they would be losing money, while the clubs make them money they stay, as soon as they get board or club stops winning they will go. they couldnt give a shit about football, its just like rich bankers having a nice car, its to show off but ultimately once their mates get bored of looking at it they will bin. thye couldnt give two fucks about it. i bet if you ask either the arabs or abromvich, they could barely name their first team squad
Do you think our board could name the first team? And they were all pretty quick to cash in on their shares. They're no better.
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