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    If it's not City or Chelsea, it would be the biggest Spanish clubs in Barca and Real. Rich clubs have always been a problem for us and we've never been able to compete with the wages other clubs offer. Players are leaving even quicker now because of our policies and that's partly due to the Emirates move.

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    no its not us that have stale nor the manger. in the old days you used to sign for a club to fight hard for success and work hard, nowadays there is a easy way to do that, you jsut rock up, earn millions and win a billion trophies without doing much. if players want an easy life then we are fucked and actually so is football

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    Football has changed

    Wenger isnt able to and is being left behind and is taking Arsenal with him

    So id say Wenger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    If it's not City or Chelsea, it would be the biggest Spanish clubs in Barca and Real. Rich clubs have always been a problem for us and we've never been able to compete with the wages other clubs offer. Players are leaving even quicker now because of our policies and that's partly due to the Emirates move.
    I disagree with the statement that we can't compete with those wages. We fricken well can. We could have a spine of 3-4 superstars on pretty monstrous wages if we weren't paying ridiculous amounts to the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, et al - and the are ridiculous and unearned amounts which is why no one else in the entire world will take them off our hands with the contracts they are on.

    Our problem is not our wage bill, it is how the wages within it are distibuted amongst the team.

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    ^^ yes this is very true. whoever signed these players to those ridiculous contracts should be fired on the spot. millions of pounds have been wasted on garbage over the years and we arent talking about 1 or 2 contracts we can come up with a laundry list of shite that the club has spent soo much money on. there is only one man who choses to sign these players and he needs to be held accountable for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey View Post
    ^^ yes this is very true. whoever signed these players to those ridiculous contracts should be fired on the spot. millions of pounds have been wasted on garbage over the years and we arent talking about 1 or 2 contracts we can come up with a laundry list of shite that the club has spent soo much money on. there is only one man who choses to sign these players and he needs to be held accountable for this.
    Thought you'd be at BMO Field right now.

    edit: Mind you, that would be pointless seeing as it is at the Rogers Center.
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    the arsenal fan in me does not allow me to go see liverpool even though we dont get too many high profile teams over here buddy. besides 11$ for a pint is criminal. my 3$ beer from my couch tastes so much better. i figured since Kronke came aboard we would see Arsenal around these parts. hopefully after we raid the far east of all the $$$ they can come here to rinse and repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    I disagree with the statement that we can't compete with those wages. We fricken well can. We could have a spine of 3-4 superstars on pretty monstrous wages if we weren't paying ridiculous amounts to the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, et al - and the are ridiculous and unearned amounts which is why no one else in the entire world will take them off our hands with the contracts they are on.

    Our problem is not our wage bill, it is how the wages within it are distibuted amongst the team.
    Exactly and that's a result of our wage policy and structure. It has nothing to do with what Chelsea and City are doing and goes back to my original point. We've had players complaining about wages since the Vieira days, before these new money clubs and it's self imposed because we have a wage structure. We're seeing a mismanagement of funds at our club and it's all too easy to blame our drought on outside influences. We've got to look closer to home.

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    Wait, sorry? We can compete with £190K per week? Are you serious?

    It's all relative. You pay one star that much, the other stars want that much. We pay RVP 190K p.w. then what does Wilshere deserve in a year or two? Every star player we sign or becomes one from then on will demand that much. Nor can you have good morale at a club where a left back or even someone on the bench earns like a tenth of the star player. The wage structure exists primarily to ensure that wages are relative and not too biased in a particular direction. Shonky payment structures result in dressing room unrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpyo View Post
    Wait, sorry? We can compete with £190K per week? Are you serious?

    It's all relative. You pay one star that much, the other stars want that much. We pay RVP 190K p.w. then what does Wilshere deserve in a year or two? Every star player we sign or becomes one from then on will demand that much. Nor can you have good morale at a club where a left back or even someone on the bench earns like a tenth of the star player. The wage structure exists primarily to ensure that wages are relative and not too biased in a particular direction. Shonky payment structures result in dressing room unrest.
    FAIL. This egalitarian structure you are proposing does nor exist in any other walk of life. Messi probably earns twice what Iniesta does at Barca, at RM the only player who earns close to what CR9 does is propably Cassilas. If you earned 80% of what your company MD does and he works twice as hard as you carrying home files to pore over each night, would YOU want to be the MD?. We have clearly seen that money motivates players, if you want to earn the same as RVP, then produce like RVP. What we have instead is Djourou on 50k and Denilson on the same and Rvp on 75k. That does not make for harmony , that causes stagnation, which is what we see at Arsenal. players better than denilson Djourou, Bendtner et al are earning 25k pw in other Prem clubs and thanking their bloody stars for it.

    This is all part of the Wenger calamity. He wants to do things differently just for its own sake, and even when we all see that it doesnt work. He stubbornly refuses to change it. This is what Gazidis was supposedly supposed to change but instead he just does what Wenger wants.. Wilshire is not a star, yet he has done nothing to merit such accolades and he is just starting out in the game and is not a mercurial talent like Messi, Rooney or Ronaldo. He should be on 25k pw. If you pay him 75kpw now at 20 yrs what will he be on by the time he is 27 and maybe still has not progressed as a player like the aforementioned Djopoo and denilshyte.
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