Clichy has left. And Nasri in talks with Citeh.

[Özim]

You seriously think a club with limitless resources should be commended for spending their way to success? A billionaire could take over any club and can do that, it's been shown twice in the PL already. Chelsea were in the top 4 before they were board, City were in mid-table, just shows you can do it with anyone if you pump enough money in.

Wenger's made mistakes but his basic approch has been right. The frustrating thing is he has built a squad capable of success, a combination of poor defensive coaching, mental fragility and stubbonness from Wenger when he needed to spend some money has led to our failure.

Maybe not but neither is a club who rip off the fans with sky high ticket prices, spend next to nothing on transfers and then belittle them with patronising comments, all whilst employing a manager who defends being 4th place losers every season, watches his team his team collapse like rice paper under a tonne of bricks every season and then preaches about spirit and togetherness when half his squad want to leave .....and all this whilst he's picking up 6 million a year.

There's nothing to be proud of there. Yeah guess the sugar daddy option isn't as bad as it looks after all.

[Cripps_orig]

Maybe not but neither is a club who rip off the fans with sky high ticket prices, spend next to nothing on transfers and then belittle them with patronising comments, all whilst paying a manager who defends being 4th place losers every season, preaches about spirit and togetherness when half his squad want to leave and every season they collapse like rice paper under a tonne of bricks.....and all this whilst he's picking up 6 million a year.

There's nothing to be proud of there.

Both ways are shite ass ways to get successful tbh but id rather Citys way than ours

[Letters]

Both ways are shite ass ways to get successful tbh but id rather Citys way than ours

Seriously? So you wouldn't care that every trophy would be tainted by the fact that you only achieved it by spending a sugar-daddy's money and know that if he got bored and pissed off we'd be screwed.

Sod that, frankly. I want success but not like that. It's as meaningless as buying a degree off the internet and then celebrating your 'achievement'.

[Özim]

Seriously? So you wouldn't care that every trophy would be tainted by the fact that you only achieved it by spending a sugar-daddy's money and know that if he got bored and pissed off we'd be screwed.

Sod that, frankly. I want success but not like that. It's as meaningless as buying a degree off the internet and then celebrating your 'achievement'.

Maybe so, but what we're doing is meaningless, the history books will at least remember the other team.

There's actually nothing pleasurable about what Wenger is doing, quite the opposite.

[Cripps_orig]

Seriously? So you wouldn't care that every trophy would be tainted by the fact that you only achieved it by spending a sugar-daddy's money and know that if he got bored and pissed off we'd be screwed.

Sod that, frankly. I want success but not like that. It's as meaningless as buying a degree off the internet and then celebrating your 'achievement'.

Out of the 2 id go for Citys but ideally id want something in between.

Spend money on quality players whilst producing youngsters.

[Letters]

Out of the 2 id go for Citys but ideally id want something in between.

Spend money on quality players whilst producing youngsters.

Agreed. And the frustrating thing is I think we could have achieved success the 'right' way had Wenger been less stubborn and mixed the (undoubtably good) squad he's built with a bit of experience which could have got us over the finish line.

[Özim]

Both ways are shite ass ways to get successful tbh but id rather Citys way than ours

Yup agreed, both shite but with one at least you experience success and don't get the p*ss taken out of you.

[cricketsi]

Yup agreed, both shite but with one at least you experience success and don't get the p*ss taken out of you.

I'll gladly take the piss out of anyone who genuinely feels that way.

[Özim]

I'll gladly take the piss out of anyone who genuinely feels that way.

Yeah but they wouldn't be paying you for the privilege.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course it's an utter disgrace we have sold our starting FB to the club that finished directly above us. Clichy, for all his mistakes, is a better defender than Gibbs. Sending Clichy off to the continent and getting in a superior replacement would have been fine, but we've sold to our direct rivals and you just pray Wenger won't try to pull a stunt and go with Gibbs as first choice. If it works out that way then add yet another reason to the long list of reasons why Wenger should be sacked.

What's more, now there's a gap in the team Wenger had better move fucking fast to fill it (as in tomorrow considering he must have known Clichy was going) or else the zero-ambition message to the other players increases in volume.

Do we have any players left now that have ever won anything at Arsenal? Anyone at all?