ALL of those articles are from way before Vieira left. They may contain quotes where he complains about this or that after a disappointing result or season but I don't see how that's relevant. The quotes I posted are from when he left which is what we were talking about. When he did it was our choice to sell him, not his choice to leave because of frustrations about how things were going.Originally Posted by budesonide
we barely managed the FA cup in his last season didn't we? I shall dig up more.
and, re: henry, you are speculating or merely deducing 1+4 to be equal to ten. I assume that is what you originally accused me of?
What's the point of digging up anything? The article I posted was his comments when he left which is what we're talking about.
He did NOT leave because of lack of ambition or because of anything he saw wrong at the club. He was sold and he said it was our choice and he wanted to stay.
I'm not speculating about whether Henry had marriage problems, that is a matter of public record. As for whether it was part of his leaving, well maybe but again I posted his comments on leaving and nowhere did he say he was leaving because of a lack of ambition at the club and he predicted we'd do well after he left (and actually the year immediately after he left we did do better).
Tbf, he wanted to win the CL before he left. I know that's speculative, but it's not a great leap of faith to imagine that he knew we wouldn't win it in his time with the club, so he left for somewhere that would win it.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
I think that's a reasonable assumption/bit of speculation, yes.
That may well have been a factor.
I recall Henry calling for some signings during his last season with us, it was during that period when he was crocked in the autumn. I think Gilberto might have said something similar too but I can't remember that for sure. When Freddie joined West Ham, he said it wasn't the same at the club anymore because all of his Invincible buddies were shipped out. It's not too much of a leap faith really to think that these players, particularly ones of the stature of Henry had no interest in wasting time with a bunch of youths...the icy stare said as much.
I think it was all collective though, the break down of his marriage, injury problems, decline of the team etc, that lead to him leaving.
We decided when to sell Henry and Vieria but let's not pretend that there wasn't something wrong before they left. If Cesc left this season and made a statement saying he wanted to leave because Silent Stan now owns the club now, things aren't the same and he just broke up with his girlfriend so he wants to go back to Spain, would you believe that rubbish? If the club tried to spin it that we sold him because he was constantly getting injured, would you believe that?
Pay no attention to the PR statements. Paddy didn't want to leave things sour with the Arsenal fans. He was flirting with Real Madrid for seasons, told Cashley to demand higher wages and wasn't all that happy in his final days. He wanted a move to Real Madrid, not Juve. Also, how can forget the day Henry was dropped for the Spurs game and came out saying we should sign SWP? The statements from the club and players are just for show. Denilson made a statement about wanting leave last week. Anyone here really think he's winner and has decided to leave because he wants silverware? We all know he's been frozen out of the team and the writing on wall as our season was falling apart. Speculation about him being sold was all over the papers and I'm pretty sure he's read them and decided to jump before being pushed. It's like handing in your resignation before getting fired. You get to leave with some dignity at least.
Back to the original topic. If Wenger were to sign a top quality striker like Torres and play him as a winger, then yes, I will blame him. I think everyone has realised that the problem goes way beyond spending money. We shouldn't need a player worth £50m to beat teams like Birmingham!
No, you are speculating that it was a reason (or part of the reason) as to why he left -- if not why mention it? Else, you are doing exactly what you claim i am doing. Vieira wanted to win the CL, henry wanted to win the CL -- with the latter (as i said earlier) being the most vocal about it in his last few years as to the lack of ambition being shown by the club. MO and LDG's posts suggest i am not being revisionist.
I fully accept the quotes by vieira you have posted to suggest otherwise just as I accept ashley cole's autobiographical account of his time here.
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