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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    I disagree
    then you're wrong.


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    Wenger sucks!
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    I disagree, he's gone 7 years without a trophy now, IMO that calls for a drastic change in policy...he's never shown any inclination to make the changes.

    It's easy to say he hates losing etc etc, but what does he actually do to stop the rot other than rant and rave on the sidelines?
    he is blinkered, that is one of his faults, one found in every successful person.

    unfortunately for him he remains blinkered regarding the wrong things, so it has hurt him and the clubs progression terribly.

    he has made mistakes and will continue as long as he is in charge, however, that does not equate to him not giving a damn.

    it just means that he is outdated but from his perspective (and wrongly) he believes he is doing all the right things to change the mistakes. he is stuck in a loop of trying the same things that are no longer good enough but in his mind, he is trying his best.

    whether that is good enough or not is open for debate but it is churlish to suggest he doesn't give a toss. actually, it is beyond ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Do you think he looks happy when things aren't going well?
    Why is it a piss poor argument to look at his reactions to things rather than making baseless statements?
    what on earth are you on about? name me one person who is happy when things aren't going well? which player or manager thinks 'we arent playing well but im content'? for that reason its a piss poor argument. every manager, player and fan wants to win so using the antithesis to boost your wenger argument is a cop out. you say it's a baseless argument to state that wenger is content with not winning things but if anything, it's your statement that's baseless. your whole argument is based on wenger's emotion and antics on the touchline/press conferences. you have no quotes, no proof, and no reliable evidence to catalyse your argument. on the other hand, ItsMe is coming to a rational conclusion based on what has happened in the past- he's looking at quotes such as 'we need to improve defensively and add to our squad' and 'if song goes we will add defensively', but sees wenger doing nothing about it. that doesn't tell me he's a manager who thinks we can win trophies because he's identified a deficiency yet not acted upon it. a manager that is hell-bent on winning would improve such frailties.

    ItsMe is perfectly right, during the past 7 years wenger has done very little to change the policy in order to stop the ongoing predicament we were in. its only recently that he's had a change of heart and decided to take a new direction, which only came about by default through players giving up on the project. its one thing being unhappy about losing but another doing something about it. the managers that want to win will do so at all costs. not even you can sit here and tell us that we have tried winning at all costs. we could have done much more. in fact, under your argument wenger is shown up as a huge hypocrite; he acknowledges we are not good enough - as evident by his emotions - yet does nothing about it. that's border line insanity. if you had cancer would you sit and cry about it all day then do nothing about it, or would you go to the doctors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    I think this Wengeritis or Arsenalitis disease is affecting even us fans. ARSENAL are a SPORTING enterprise not a cotton bud manufacturer so all this stuff about analogy to corporations and company/client priviledges is absolute guff. Sagna voiced the same concerns that we FANS have been moaning about for years that we are no longer set up to win trophies and people go out of their way to castigate him for it, calling him an average injury plagued player, when in reality he has for 5 seasons been our most CONSISTENT player in his position and has only been seriously injured last season in six years. The basic fact is that this club is NOT set up to win special trophies, hell we cannot even win the tiddlywink ones again. The same rationale that RVP used to leave us is what Sagna has spoken out on, the difference being that the ungrateful dutchman levered his way out while Sagna is not in a position to do so. Sagna too is wondering if he will leave here in 2 years time having been sold a story at 24 about a team going places only to see that 4th place is our self imposed ceiling.

    You could argue that Sagna sparked the salvage of last season with his goal against the spuds. I for one believe that without that comeback and win in that game we would be talking about UEFA cup games now now CL. We should not in our frustration simply lash out at any convenient target and should instead refocus on what is the true source of our agony. Wenger and his continued delusions and our club management who thinks winning is a bridge too far and are falling over themselves now to extend Wenger`s contract for maybe another 5 years. Can you imagine another 7 years of this shit.
    Someone talking some sense. A lot of Arsenal fans are blinkered. We're here talking about corporation and customer service…if we're going to use such language than at least apply to Wenger and the amount of times he has insulted us, the customers, the fans, with lies and outright insults. Nobody blinks at that stuff. But it's all nonsense. We've got players voicing the same concerns as the fans and they get throttled for it. It's not just about the money, otherwise, they'd have left ages ago. How many times will we go down this avenue? It's deja vu on here and it's as if people aren't connecting the dots.

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    Fucksake.

    He knows exactly what he is doing, because he is doing the job that the owners of the cluib have asked of him. If he wasn't, he would no longer have a job.

    In fact, he's doing a fucking blinding job if you look at it properly. Spends no money, get's champions league. That is fucking genius, and only a few managers could do that.

    This is what the board want him to do. Who knows if his role will change, if and when we decide to spend more money (assuming incumbent on new sponsorship deals).

    Winning shit, is what Wenger and all players want, but it is second priority on his job spec. It's so fucking clear it's untrue.

    Make no mistake, any new manager coming in will be tasked with exactly the same.

    We all fucking know we should be more ambitious than we have been. That goes without saying, but this delusional idea that it is all down to Wenger is hysterical and fucking retarded.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Fucksake. Wenger is hysterical and fucking retarded.
    Harsh but fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    Hair.

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    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner View Post
    name me one person who is happy when things aren't going well?
    So you agree Wenger wouldn't be happy that we've not been successful then.
    Cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    then you're wrong.

    I disagree

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