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Thread: What now for Walcott?

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    Play him as striker till Jan if he does well and his happy give him a new deal if he is does bad and is sulking over a deal, sell him in Jan and buy Navas tbh.

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    It's clear his best position is coming in from the right anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Whether a silly decision or not, you won't see our board letting him walk on a free. The price touted in this windows was £11mill so I can't see it being more than half that in January, but they'll want the cash anyway. A player swap is another possibility, under those terms City and Chelsea might be back in the picture but Walcott would be an absolute fool to go to either place if he's serious about his career. I agree, he's fucked either way. Somebody has advised him he has enough stock to play this game, but he doesn't. His best move would be to sack his agent and denounce his parents. It's awful when grubby outsiders who can't do the job themselves exploit somebody who can - especially if it's the parents FFS! Anelka again, except Anelka was much more talented and so in a much better situation than Walcott. Perhaps his best move would be to knuckle down and add some consistency to his game. Then he'd start accumulating the power he mistakenly thinks he already has. I don't know what the fans in general think but a lot of people here couldn't seem to give a shit either way if he goes or stays, myself included. That says a lot about the true worth of Walcott. He'd be smart to pay attention.
    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    His career at Arsenal has put him in the national team and seen him on the European stage year after year. He's had the stage, he just hasn't lived up to the billing. Isn't this the real truth about Theo Walcott?
    We've already discussed this but this is where our opinions on player development are completely different. A key thing SayNoMore states about Theo is playing to his strengths. We're not doing that. You can't expect this guy to learn how to dribble at this stage in his career. Wenger of all people should know this. You learn that side of the game before you turn professional. It's a point he kept stressing when he first arrived in England and spoke of English players and their lack of technical ability. He put his words into practice with his youth development programme and started young with Wilshere and co. Theo won't ever be the type of winger you're expecting him to be. He's no good at taking players on. His dribbling won't ever get to that Gervinho level regardless of how much he practices.

    That's the way the game is when it comes to developing that sort of technique. But we should be playing him to his strengths because he's extremely effective and it shows in his goals and assists. I get the feeling this is another one of Wenger's stubborn streaks. Most managers can make use of a players limited abilities but Wenger seems obsessed with trying to improve a weakness that he should know is almost impossible to improve. Take Frank Lampard as an example. This guys is limited but he works hard, has a good shot on him and knows when to arrive late in the box to pop shots off. Most managers know how to make use of that type of player and won't attempt to turn him into a Cesc playmaker type or encourage him to make runs on the ball and attempt tricky turns like Diaby does. What Wenger is doing with Theo seems extreme and you and a lot of fans are laying a lot of it on Theo as if it's case of him needing to knuckle down and try harder. You need to remember that he started here when he was 16 in a position he's not used to.

    Any other player would have cracked by now and been utterly useless. Mentally they'd have been all over the place and shot of confidence. We've seen it before in players like Eboue, Arshavin and Vela. But Theo still pops up to get the vital goals and assists and is able to turn games around when he's on it. After all the criticism, he still gets on with it. He's mentally strong in that sense which hardly gets credited when you consider the countless other youth failures. Forget just youth players. Just look how Giroud looks a little low on confidence already or Chamakh for example. Theo has had way more on shoulders compared to these guys but he never looks like a dejected figure on the pitch even when he's having a stinker.

    Wenger keeps saying his future is as a striker, but when will he move him there? What else has he got to learn before he gets a try? If Wenger won't play him there after all this then he needs to move on. It's down to the coach to teach him and develop him. You can't say it's a lack of effort from Theo. Like Denilson, Ramsey, Eboue and Vela, I think Wenger his having one of his blind spot stubborn moments. If he knows what he's doing with Walcott, then surely we can't afford to lose him now? Not after all the work he's put in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm View Post
    It's clear his best position is coming in from the right anyway.
    In from the right where he's always on his weaker foot if in on goal? Most goal scoring wingers play so they can cut in on their preferred shooting foot. Messi, Robben, Pires, Overmars….if Wenger is developing him in the same way as Henry, Henry would play on the left and was used to drifting out to the wide left when playing for us and cutting in.

    Theo has really played anywhere else for anyone to form a solid opinion on what his best position is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    In from the right where he's always on his weaker foot if in on goal? Most goal scoring wingers play so they can cut in on their preferred shooting foot. Messi, Robben, Pires, Overmars….if Wenger is developing him in the same way as Henry, Henry would play on the left and was used to drifting out to the wide left when playing for us and cutting in.

    Theo has really played anywhere else for anyone to form a solid opinion on what his best position is.
    Coming in from the right, the same way Freddy used to is what GP means. It takes the full back out of the game, and fucks the CB pairing up.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Coming in from the right, the same way Freddy used to is what GP means. It takes the full back out of the game, and fucks the CB pairing up.
    Pretty much. Freddie wasn't full of tricks, nor was he really quick. His biggest asset was that he was smart as fuck, He always knew when to make that run.

    Theo is not Thierry Henry, and trying to mould him in the same way is fucking pointless.

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    Yeah, bit like the Gervinho goal against Soton where he made the run accross the fullback, Arteta slotted him in, and the rest as they say, was pure forehead fluke...
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Theo is the last one standing from the failed project youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm View Post
    Pretty much. Freddie wasn't full of tricks, nor was he really quick. His biggest asset was that he was smart as fuck, He always knew when to make that run.

    Theo is not Thierry Henry, and trying to mould him in the same way is fucking pointless.
    Theo is smart with his off the ball movement but the one thing you have to remember is that we had Dennis dropping deep and playing sneaky passes through and that distracted defenders making space between the full back and centre back. We don't have that sort of system anymore and teams tend to sit deep so there isn't much sort of space anymore. We used to have a team where Bergkamp, Pires, Henry, Cole, Vieira…they could all spot the runs and provide the pass, we don't have that anymore.

    Also, another player worth mentioning who was originally a striker but Wenger played on the wing…Wiltord. He got the goals but could be frustrating to watch. He hated it on the flanks. Did he leave on a free as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Theo is the last one standing from the failed project youth.
    And Gibbs.

    Wilshere is kind of standing...I guess....
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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