Wenger being sanctimonious again

[Japan Shaking All Over]

All true unfortunately. City have sneaked in before the regulations "slam" down so there's nothing anyone can do about it. Not unless somebody wants to run that "fit person" test, in which case they are well and truly fucked. Trouble is, I think the stupid cunts in authority think that test has something to do with being able to chase money as fast as possible, therefore the richer they are the fitter they are.

When this thread started I think one of the main points is that AW should just keep his mouth shut.......and not try to come across as whiter than white, good point and there are times when Wenger acts like a spoilt brat especially when thinking that every ref has it in for us or that every penalty decision goes against us.........at those times I couldn't agree more but the man is also allowed to have an opinion and I think it was Zimm who mentioned that he shouldn't feel like he has to police every situation and just get on with the job at hand! this I also agree with as we do have problems that need our manager's immediate attention but I do also think that.........

the stupid cunts in authority

don't know how to police themselves let alone a business conglomerate the size of Citeh - World Cup bids.......etc so we are left with the likes of Wenger and SAF, Maureen to state a few home truths

However it still remains that there isn't much we can do about it as it is not just the size of one's account that allows them to pass 'the fitness test', it's their business acumen, whether it all above board or of a slightly shady nature that also allows them to lead the pack..........but as much as the likes of Wenger or Roman moan about being slighted they should be careful of throw stones in glasshouses as it does not also need to take a huge about of delving to find discrepancies in the majority of books.......

[budesonide]

When this thread started I think one of the main points is that AW should just keep his mouth shut.......and not try to come across as whiter than white, good point and there are times when Wenger acts like a spoilt brat especially when thinking that every ref has it in for us or that every penalty decision goes against us.........at those times I couldn't agree more but the man is also allowed to have an opinion and I think it was Zimm who mentioned that he shouldn't feel like he has to police every situation and just get on with the job at hand! this I also agree with as we do have problems that need our manager's immediate attention but I do also think that.........



don't know how to police themselves let alone a business conglomerate the size of Citeh - World Cup bids.......etc so we are left with the likes of Wenger and SAF, Maureen to state a few home truths

However it still remains that there isn't much we can do about it as it is not just the size of one's account that allows them to pass 'the fitness test', it's their business acumen, whether it all above board or of a slightly shady nature that also allows them to lead the pack..........but as much as the likes of Wenger or Roman moan about being slighted they should be careful of throw stones in glasshouses as it does not also need to take a huge about of delving to find discrepancies in the majority of books.......

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I still maintain all of this to be knee-jerk reaction. Reality is kicking in for most.

[IBK]

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post jsao


I still maintain all of this to be knee-jerk reaction. Reality is kicking in for most.

As I see it, this isn't a debate about 'reality'. We can all see the reality of destructive financial doping. Its a debate about whether it should be allowed to run unrestricted through the game.

And that isn't even an argument about legality - for the purposes of what we are debating, legality is irrelevant. I am sure that the deal's been done with legal advice - and that there are legal aruments that will probably end up sanctioning this 'deal'. But that too is irrelevant.

No - it is a matter of principle. You say effectively that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But as Terry(?) says if you take this line, then basically nobody could ever make a negative comment about anyone else. its a bit ridiculous.

Sure Citeh might be described as only the latest incarnation of a trend that's existed in football for a long time - but that doesn;t exonerate them. What people are objecting to is that Mansour and Co have now taken pure financial doping to an extreme level. One that is unprecedented in terms of the damage it wreaks elsewhere.

You want to defend that? Well you are entitled to do so, but I would suggest that you are no real lover of the game.

[budesonide]

As I see it, this isn't a debate about 'reality'. We can all see the reality of destructive financial doping. Its a debate about whether it should be allowed to run unrestricted through the game.

And that isn't even an argument about legality - for the purposes of what we are debating, legality is irrelevant. I am sure that the deal's been done with legal advice - and that there are legal aruments that will probably end up sanctioning this 'deal'. But that too is irrelevant.

No - it is a matter of principle. You say effectively that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But as Terry(?) says if you take this line, then basically nobody could ever make a negative comment about anyone else. its a bit ridiculous.

Sure Citeh might be described as only the latest incarnation of a trend that's existed in football for a long time - but that doesn;t exonerate them. What people are objecting to is that Mansour and Co have now taken pure financial doping to an extreme level. One that is unprecedented in terms of the damage it wreaks elsewhere.

You want to defend that? Well you are entitled to do so, but I would suggest that you are no real lover of the game.

I am not defending city. What I have been arguing is that the reaction to their deal is knee-jerk and not grounded in any objective reality. Total over-reaction.

I love the game -- and as I have said time and time again in this thread, the game is headed in a purely commercial direction. Wenger is a strong proponent of the fact that clubs should be run as a sensible business venture -- but business nonetheless. He sees AFC as a business -- and we are running a business model of our choosing.

What City are doing is basically employing a cheeky pure business strategy. And until we know the full details of it no one has the moral right to castigate them for some arbitrary flouting of contraventions.

Where does one draw the line? That is my point?

The FFP rules is actually quite a stupid idea, frankly,in my opinion. Idealistic but impractical.

[AKBapologist]

What City are doing is basically employing a cheeky pure business strategy.

How old are you?

[IBK]

I am not defending city. What I have been arguing is that the reaction to their deal is knee-jerk and not grounded in any objective reality. Total over-reaction.

I love the game -- and as I have said time and time again in this thread, the game is headed in a purely commercial direction. Wenger is a strong proponent of the fact that clubs should be run as a sensible business venture -- but business nonetheless. He sees AFC as a business -- and we are running a business model of our choosing.

What City are doing is basically employing a cheeky pure business strategy. And until we know the full details of it no one has the moral right to castigate them for some arbitrary flouting of contraventions.

Where does one draw the line? That is my point?

The FFP rules is actually quite a stupid idea, frankly,in my opinion. Idealistic but impractical.

I think you are contradicting yourself. Defending Citeh is precisely what you are doing - in an 'innocent until proven guilty' kind of way. Yet Citeh aren't 'innocent' by any means. They are indulging in unprecedented financial doping - and their unprecedented naming rights deal -- whether strictly within the rules or not, is another example of this process.

Then you say that you love the game, but it is moving in a strictly commercial direction. Do you love football being strictly commercial - most fans don't.

Drawing the line is precisely what this is all about. Noone is trying to argue that AFC is not run on a commercial basis. least of all AW who believes in self sustainability. The farcical thing is the suggestion that Citeh is being run commercially. That couldn't be further from the truth.

What Wenger FIFA are saying is that there should be a correlation between spending and income. You may think the rules are stupid - and thenecessary need for compromise has made them a bit toothless, but I cannot fault the ideal.

[Joker]

Wenger being pretentious again about Mancini's comments RE: Nasri. I saw the interview with Mancini, and IMO I don't think he said anything out of order, certainly not in anyway near as disrespectful as Xavi, Iniesta et al's comments about Cesc. Moreover, if it's disrespectful to talk about Nasri, I put it to ******* that it's also disrespectul to assume that another club's sponsorship deal attempts to subvert the financial fair play laws, when he has no evidence of this. Practise what you preach Wenger, if you don't want to be hated by the football world.

[Kano]

jesus christ. wenger defending Arsenal again???

what a dick

[Japan Shaking All Over]

As I see it, this isn't a debate about 'reality'. We can all see the reality of destructive financial doping. Its a debate about whether it should be allowed to run unrestricted through the game.

And that isn't even an argument about legality - for the purposes of what we are debating, legality is irrelevant. I am sure that the deal's been done with legal advice - and that there are legal aruments that will probably end up sanctioning this 'deal'. But that too is irrelevant.

No - it is a matter of principle. You say effectively that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But as Terry(?) says if you take this line, then basically nobody could ever make a negative comment about anyone else. its a bit ridiculous.

Sure Citeh might be described as only the latest incarnation of a trend that's existed in football for a long time - but that doesn;t exonerate them. What people are objecting to is that Mansour and Co have now taken pure financial doping to an extreme level. One that is unprecedented in terms of the damage it wreaks elsewhere.

You want to defend that? Well you are entitled to do so, but I would suggest that you are no real lover of the game.

My arguement is that Wenger has all the right in the world to say whatever he wants, he is in a position where people are eager to hear his views, this extends to thoughts about a game just played, although there are times especially afyer a game just played

the way that I see it Citeh are taking things to a higher level and their financial clout is allowing them to do so, whether this is through legal or shady loopholes I dont know and TBH cant afford to give a fuck cos there aint jack shit I can do about it, so we are lefy with Wenger to say whats on most peoples minds, to do so at a press conference where he wad probably asked 1000 and 1 questions but only the juiciest answers were reported
those same answers piss of a few Mancs, bothered? couldnt care less!
more worried about what goes down on the pitch, which is where Wengers focus should always return to once he gets the bee out of his bonnet

but I have no belief in the piwers that be. . . which is why the odd AW/SAF rant sometimes feels like a shout for the masses

[Kano]

When this thread started I think one of the main points is that AW should just keep his mouth shut.......and not try to come across as whiter than white, good point and there are times when Wenger acts like a spoilt brat especially when thinking that every ref has it in for us or that every penalty decision goes against us.........at those times I couldn't agree more but the man is also allowed to have an opinion and I think it was Zimm who mentioned that he shouldn't feel like he has to police every situation and just get on with the job at hand! this I also agree with as we do have problems that need our manager's immediate attention but I do also think that.........



don't know how to police themselves let alone a business conglomerate the size of Citeh - World Cup bids.......etc so we are left with the likes of Wenger and SAF, Maureen to state a few home truths

However it still remains that there isn't much we can do about it as it is not just the size of one's account that allows them to pass 'the fitness test', it's their business acumen, whether it all above board or of a slightly shady nature that also allows them to lead the pack..........but as much as the likes of Wenger or Roman moan about being slighted they should be careful of throw stones in glasshouses as it does not also need to take a huge about of delving to find discrepancies in the majority of books.......

passing comment on something or someone else doesn't distract you from the task at hand, it's not like he was asked to write a white paper on the subject and present it to the industry.

you are right that no one has the perfect, whiter-than-white history but in that regard it would mean no-one would ever be in a position to pass any sort of comment on anyone else. obviously that sort of world would be crazy; so whenever you talk about someone else in a negative light, then your pass transgressions are also pulled out of the woodwork. absolutlely everyone will put on a clean front - that they hold the moral and intelligent high ground; something called self belief and confidence. without that, then nothing would ever be achieved as everything would be eternally debated with no real conviction to push through to a final solution.

obviously no one knows the details of man city's recent deal but given the high level of suspicision surrounding it from many within the game, then there is a more than enough reason to debate the details. much like people moan that a football forum is there to discuss all the bollocks fed to us by the media, players and managers then wenger is opening this out on a wider scale, to the 'industry forum'. nothing more than a point of view or opinion thrown out to the ether.

there are plenty of other people that have plenty to say about wengers methods in the transfer markets (with regards to kids etc) so as there is no whitewash to prevent them from doing so, then wenger should feel free to do the same on subjects that worry or interest him. i'm sure he's intelligent enough not to worry about negative comments toward him or to feel those comments should be stopped either.