A breakdown of Arsenal's money schemes

[mastermind84]

Check the post history of the guys cosigning your argument and see what they have to say about players like RVP, Walcott, Song, Nasri…..it's not made up. They applaud us paying the 'market value' for young players but not for our seniors. That doesn't make sense to me. Check it out for yourself.

Also, has it ever occurred to you that we're responsible for inflating the market for young players? I remember, years ago, Benetiz was saying Liverpool couldn't offer the sort of wages Arsenal were offering to young players. I laughed when I first heard the claim, but it makes a lot of sense now.

of course it occurred to me, thats why I said it. I was implying that. You can say it was wrong to do that, but if we dont then we dont sign players like Cesc, Ramsey, and Clichy. That was the untapped market we exploited until other clubs caught wise to what we were doing.

Man Utd's players, according to this article, they're paying Cleverley, Smalling and Jones £40,000k a week. It's similar to what we pay for some of our young players, but there are guys in the squad that are supposed to be £50 - £60k a week as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...deal-2015.html

I dont understand the "50 to 60k a week as well comment." Does that apply to us or United?

and you see what I mean about other clubs doing the same. United had to do that to either sign those guys as well. Look how much Macheda is on as well.

But as you've rightly argued, we were one of the first to go younger and look for fresh new talent. Most clubs were looking for established stars that could jump straight into the first team. Man Utd have only just started to tighten their belts. Guys like Smalling and Jones are new additions and fit into their new long term strategy because they know they can't spend crazy money like they used to. Ramsey and Ox snubbed Man Utd in favour of us and maybe now so maybe they have decided to bring their wages up a bit more to compete with us. As said, this is new territory and we were the first to go this route and now other clubs are starting to follow. They're practically forced to because of the homegrown player rules and FFP ruling.

exactly

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with us bringing in players like Ox, Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott, but we had a serious imbalance. It was to the extent that we couldn't even play half of the players we bought and would have to play them out of position just so they get first team experience, or we're having to loan them out. A good chunk of the youth that played during the Chelsea Carling Cup final era have all left and things haven't gone according to plan. We should have had a team built from that phase. But now, it looks like we have the right balance with Wilshere, Gibbs, and Coquelin, playing alongside experienced players like Podolski, Merts, Giroud, Gervinho, Sagna and Arteta. The balance looks a lot better now, so it's not all bad news.

and like I said earlier, the club foolishly thought "loyalty>money"

and because of that, we lost a generation of players.

[Xhaka Can’t]

No. They are big boys, they know what they have said and they don't need you to fight their battles. If Mastermind doesn't want to check for it, that's his choice.

I'm not fighting a battle for anyone, spouting off generalities of how you interpret statements without even specifying where the statements you are using to support your argument come from simply means you have no argument.

Using your approach, I can make any ludicrous claim I want to support my view and then require whoever I'm arguing with to go through the Board to disprove it.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not fighting a battle for anyone, spouting off generalities of how you interpret statements without even specifying where the statements you are using to support your argument come from simply means you have no argument.

Using your approach, I can make any ludicrous claim I want to support my view and then require whoever I'm arguing with to go through the Board to disprove it.

Mate, let's the cut the post etiquette nonsense. If Ice and GP tried to deny what they've said then I'd see a reason to find their posts as evidence. they're not, Ice has defended his position, we move on.

[Power n Glory]

of course it occurred to me, thats why I said it. I was implying that. You can say it was wrong to do that, but if we dont then we dont sign players like Cesc, Ramsey, and Clichy. That was the untapped market we exploited until other clubs caught wise to what we were doing.


I dont understand the "50 to 60k a week as well comment." Does that apply to us or United?

and you see what I mean about other clubs doing the same. United had to do that to either sign those guys as well. Look how much Macheda is on as well.




exactly


and like I said earlier, the club foolishly thought "loyalty>money"

and because of that, we lost a generation of players.

The £50k - £60k comment applies to our players.

I agree, money doesn't equal loyalty, especially for young players who just want to make it on the world stage and show their talent. At this stage in their career, they'll sign for anyone that will offer a good education and give them a chance to play. Money isn't a huge factor unless we're talking silly sums. As a young player, the choice should be obvious if it came down to choosing between us, Chelsea, City and Man Utd.

[mastermind84]

The £50k - £60k comment applies to our players.

it applies to their players as well
remember United paid 20 million for a 19 year old Anderson.

in fact, if you look at United's squad htey have a lot of players they gave big contracts to at similar ages to our players. And because of that, they are still playing Scholes and Giggs.

I agree, money doesn't equal loyalty, especially for young players who just want to make it on the world stage and show their talent. At this stage in their career, they'll sign for anyone that will offer a good education and give them a chance to play. Money isn't a huge factor unless we're talking silly sums. As a young player, the choice should be obvious if it came down to choosing between us, Chelsea, City and Man Utd.

I disagree with that, players want money and money first. Regardless of age, especially now since they can get mega contracts at earlier ages like Hazard.

[Power n Glory]

it applies to their players as well
remember United paid 20 million for a 19 year old Anderson.

in fact, if you look at United's squad htey have a lot of players they gave big contracts to at similar ages to our players. And because of that, they are still playing Scholes and Giggs.



I disagree with that, players want money and money first. Regardless of age, especially now since they can get mega contracts at earlier ages like Hazard.

But how much are Anderson and Nani earning a week?

I don't agree with that otherwise the kids like Vela, Bendy..etc. Coquelin is another example.They'd have sat on our bench and collected a pay check since we pay a lot of money for our young players. I think most young players are more concerned about playing time and games. Diarra is another example. He was at Chelsea but was fuming because he wasn't getting game time. He left for us and the same happened, so he left again. It's not always about money.

[GP]

it applies to their players as well
remember United paid 20 million for a 19 year old Anderson.

in fact, if you look at United's squad htey have a lot of players they gave big contracts to at similar ages to our players. And because of that, they are still playing Scholes and Giggs.


I disagree with that, players want money and money first. Regardless of age, especially now since they can get mega contracts at earlier ages like Hazard.

Good post.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm not fighting a battle for anyone, spouting off generalities of how you interpret statements without even specifying where the statements you are using to support your argument come from simply means you have no argument.

Using your approach, I can make any ludicrous claim I want to support my view and then require whoever I'm arguing with to go through the Board to disprove it.

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05-10-2012 03:54 PM
Thread: A breakdown of Arsenal's money schemes
shut up dickhead

I wonder who this brave soul is.

[GP]

I wonder who this brace soul is.

shut up dickhead

[Xhaka Can’t]

I knew it!