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    Used to before Gazidis but he's not involved with the contract talks so he shouldn't be speaking out of term.
    That's a fair point!

    depends who we sell up to. not sure what sort of a future you think there will be being passed onto the biggest bidder every other season. still, if you're happy with that, that says it all.
    Well from where I'm standing I think they chose a pretty good horse in terms of Kroenke. Well known for sports teams, doesn't gut companies like Glazer had a history of, is backed by walmart money. As long as due diligence is done then selling shares is good. Usamov hasn't got control so I'm happy.
    Point still stands that as long as no divvi gets dished out all the money remains in the club, that's a good thing.
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    get the commercial deals in, push up the value, sell to the russian.

    job done.

    we're a cash cow obviously. kroenke is here to make money. and make money he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    That's clutching at straws. Of course he's talking about 'money' - he's not going to break away mid-sentence about another issue without clarifying it.
    I read that in a different way. 'A difference' does not mean he's specifically talking about a fee, it's a difference in opinion. Just as if I were to say "no the fight with me and my bro wasn't about money, just a difference we couldn't agree upon".

    Also,

    “I’m not a footballer who goes after the money,” he said.
    “It is all about the football. I signed as a striker and it is about time – I want to play up front. I am definitely a striker and feel I have matured in that position now.

    “I have always said I want to win trophies at Arsenal. Thierry joined when he was 22 and started off slowly. I am only 23 and I want to be a legend like Thierry. Hopefully it can be with Arsenal.”
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...s-striker-role



    Add Theo's comments to that, things start to look a little different. I wouldn't say I'm clutching at straws here.

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    Looks to me like PHW has sealed Theo's exit. Why does PHW always do this? Wade in when he's not wanted. He's a f*cking hypocrite...one minute he says Arsene is solely in charge of Football affairs and the next minute PHW wades in making comments about first team players like it's his business.

    His timing is always rotten too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Just as if I were to say "no the fight with me and my bro wasn't about money, just a difference we couldn't agree upon".
    In that case you're absolutely right. But Wenger doesn't say it's not about money which is what you have said. That's the false jump you keep making. He's saying that Theo's demands aren't outrageous (he is not obsessed by money)...then the next bit goes on to explain there is just a small difference that can be worked out. In that very same sentence. In the way human interaction works, it would require some sort of qualification to start talking about something else...even if Wenger can't talk about it (e.g. position). Something like "he isn't obsessed by money, in any case there are some other small issues to work out...". I don't understand what other way there is to interpret that sentence. But I guess this is getting far too tedious

    I can't really read what Walcott says without trying to understand what he has to gain from it. I get the feeling Theo does want to be a striker but it would be a 'nice to have' rather than a critical factor - especially given the way we are set-up and the number of chances he continues to get. Our attacking players have the freedom the drift about wherever they want and the type of goals he scores shows this. But unfortunately, people can't look at "I want more money" with objective eyes. Wanting more money doesn't make him a bad person. For all we know the club have offered a poor contract for Theo's experience and quality. That wouldn't be too surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    In that case you're absolutely right. But Wenger doesn't say it's not about money which is what you have said. That's the false jump you keep making. He's saying that Theo's demands aren't outrageous (he is not obsessed by money)...then the next bit goes on to explain there is just a small difference that can be worked out. In that very same sentence. In the way human interaction works, it would require some sort of qualification to start talking about something else...even if Wenger can't talk about it (e.g. position). Something like "he isn't obsessed by money, in any case there are some other small issues to work out...". I don't understand what other way there is to interpret that sentence. But I guess this is getting far too tedious

    Well, we could go round in circles on this one, but he's

    I can't really read what Walcott says without trying to understand what he has to gain from it. I get the feeling Theo does want to be a striker but it would be a 'nice to have' rather than a critical factor - especially given the way we are set-up and the number of chances he continues to get. Our attacking players have the freedom the drift about wherever they want and the type of goals he scores shows this. But unfortunately, people can't look at "I want more money" with objective eyes. Wanting more money doesn't make him a bad person. For all we know the club have offered a poor contract for Theo's experience and quality. That wouldn't be too surprising.
    Well, we could go around in circles on this one, but if Wenger is taking issue with what the press is saying about him and that it's a small difference that can be sorted, then the sticking point shouldn't be money and that contradicts PHW comments talking as if a wage structure has to be broken to keep him. Plus, compare Wenger's quotes with Theo's and it doesn't seem to be about money. Theo himself sounded like he was on edge as if the club were preparing to sell him. We have no idea what is happening but the reports of him being offered £75k and him holding out for £100k…where is the source for all of that? That's what's being said in the press and both player and boss are refuting that. Why didn't we sell him like Song and RVP if we're talking about a major stumbling block? But heck, it all could be a PR exercise.

    As for players being able to drift and get goals from anywhere….I disagree. Look at Poldoski. He works so hard on the flanks, he hardly gets into shooting positions. Compare that to Giroud and there is a big difference. Our players can't just neglect their defensive duties and drift anywhere. Theo is getting goals on the flank, but he's obviously not comfortable there otherwise he wouldn't be so vocal about playing up front. On a good day he'll get one clear cut chance on goal in a game and that's if it's open. A central striker will get way more than that. You can afford to miss a sitter and still have a enough time to get another chance carved out for you. A winger don't have that privilege. He doesn't get rated as one of the best in his position so I understand why he wants to play up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpyo
    I find "amateur" a bit of a strange word to choose given his experience. Childish perhaps but that guy has a ton of experience and service to this club. I'm not saying he's "right" I just think it strange that people have chosen to isolate this individual for our present state given he's been chariman since '82.
    At the time of Dein's purchase of the shares in Arsenal back in 1983, Peter Hill Wood Arsenal's Chairman described Dein as "crazy" to invest his money in the club stating that "to all intents and purposes it's dead money"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dein

    Yeah didn't take him a long time to make his voice heard either, the guy reckoned investment in us was "dead money".

    He's never had a clue and never will, can't stand the guy and just wish someone would kick him out of the door, he's got a horrible way of making bad situations even worse and has shown his contempt for those putting money in his fat pockets many times before.
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    PHW at it again?

    And so it begins; I await the subsequent 'theo is a greedy fuck' diatribes from the gullible fans!

    Sorry, theo -- you were sold a fairytale
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    PHW

    He and Wenger and Gazidis need to GTFO asap

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    and yet it's ridiculous to pay stupid money to feo and anyone else?

    do me a favour. just spend the fucking money, rather than wasting it

    http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...e-8203568.html

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