If they stayed....(Nasri & Fabregas)?

[milla]

Nonsense, if he only had 4 good months with us than he wouldnt have been offered an extension before last season. He has been inconsistent at times but those having a dig about 4 months of playing well are only doing so because the player wants to leave the club to go elsewhere.

Nasri wasnt the only one last season who went off the boil...Wilshere, Cesc, Song etc...all did. This is not an individual problem its a Managment issue. WEnger is a poor with player management. He cannot keep his players focused and he lets them get away with the same shite over and over again. But some fans are failing to acknowlege this and would rather point the finger at individual players rather than get to the real source of the problem.


Nasri has even said himself that its about trophies, not money. Most of the BS being spouted is due to those people buying into the inaccurate media speculation. But again people want to have a go at him because he wants to leave to a club with greater sporting ambition. Cesc is getting the same treatment from the fans as well for wanting to go, next will be RVP when he doesnt want to commit his future then it will be Theo. TH14 and Freddie even wanted to see more ambition from the club and even they were singled out way back when for saying so.

Get rid of the manager and I truly believe you will see happier players, a change in effort and a change in the mental focus we need. Its all there to see cleary whats going on but I think some fans cannot come to terms that maybe Wenger (or the board) have failed in what they set out to do.

Mr Lahey

[Xhaka Can’t]

Nonsense, if he only had 4 good months with us than he wouldnt have been offered an extension before last season. He has been inconsistent at times but those having a dig about 4 months of playing well are only doing so because the player wants to leave the club to go elsewhere.

Nasri wasnt the only one last season who went off the boil...Wilshere, Cesc, Song etc...all did. This is not an individual problem its a Managment issue. WEnger is a poor with player management. He cannot keep his players focused and he lets them get away with the same shite over and over again. But some fans are failing to acknowlege this and would rather point the finger at individual players rather than get to the real source of the problem.


Nasri has even said himself that its about trophies, not money. Most of the BS being spouted is due to those people buying into the inaccurate media speculation. But again people want to have a go at him because he wants to leave to a club with greater sporting ambition. Cesc is getting the same treatment from the fans as well for wanting to go, next will be RVP when he doesnt want to commit his future then it will be Theo. TH14 and Freddie even wanted to see more ambition from the club and even they were singled out way back when for saying so.

Get rid of the manager and I truly believe you will see happier players, a change in effort and a change in the mental focus we need. Its all there to see cleary whats going on but I think some fans cannot come to terms that maybe Wenger (or the board) have failed in what they set out to do.

Hey Lahey, haven't you got some offs to fuck?

Good post btw.

[Mr. Lahey]

Hey Lahey, haven't you got some offs to fuck?

Good post btw.

Already taken care of bud. I posted that 2 hours ago when I fucked off from work 2 hours early. Time to hit up the LC!

[fakeyank]

Nonsense, if he only had 4 good months with us than he wouldnt have been offered an extension before last season. He has been inconsistent at times but those having a dig about 4 months of playing well are only doing so because the player wants to leave the club to go elsewhere.

Nasri wasnt the only one last season who went off the boil...Wilshere, Cesc, Song etc...all did. This is not an individual problem its a Managment issue. WEnger is a poor with player management. He cannot keep his players focused and he lets them get away with the same shite over and over again. But some fans are failing to acknowlege this and would rather point the finger at individual players rather than get to the real source of the problem.


Nasri has even said himself that its about trophies, not money. Most of the BS being spouted is due to those people buying into the inaccurate media speculation. But again people want to have a go at him because he wants to leave to a club with greater sporting ambition. Cesc is getting the same treatment from the fans as well for wanting to go, next will be RVP when he doesnt want to commit his future then it will be Theo. TH14 and Freddie even wanted to see more ambition from the club and even they were singled out way back when for saying so.

Get rid of the manager and I truly believe you will see happier players, a change in effort and a change in the mental focus we need. Its all there to see cleary whats going on but I think some fans cannot come to terms that maybe Wenger (or the board) have failed in what they set out to do.

I agree that AW is the biggest problem however I disagree about Nasri just being 'inconsistent'. He was brilliant up until new year, january but after that he just fell off the boil. Agreed that he wasnt being completely shit but for a player of his quality, he needed to be dictating games or raising the bar. In fact, I am sure there must be some stat which shows this fact as well. He scored by the bucket loads before new years but after that, may be one or 2 goals! Thats unacceptable... I cant begrudge him for wanting to move for money and trophies. I know he said that its all about trophies but I can bet everything I have that if we offer him 200k a week, he will gladly sign a contract with us.

So yes, it is AW who is at fault for our demise and our current state however some of these players should be taking equal blame for last seasons capitulation.. only player who can be exempt is Jack Wilshere. Even in games where he wasnt in the best of form, he was putting in 200%. One that stands out for me is the second half of the second leg against barca when we were down to 10 men.. the only player trying to hurry the barca players was JW. All the other players were just doing nothing and accepted defeat. JW's attitude is first rate and I think majority of the squad should learn more than a thing or two from him.

[Özim]

Didn't Nasri struggle after coming back from injury though?

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Nonsense, if he only had 4 good months with us than he wouldnt have been offered an extension before last season. He has been inconsistent at times but those having a dig about 4 months of playing well are only doing so because the player wants to leave the club to go elsewhere.

Nasri wasnt the only one last season who went off the boil...Wilshere, Cesc, Song etc...all did. This is not an individual problem its a Managment issue. WEnger is a poor with player management. He cannot keep his players focused and he lets them get away with the same shite over and over again. But some fans are failing to acknowlege this and would rather point the finger at individual players rather than get to the real source of the problem.


Nasri has even said himself that its about trophies, not money. Most of the BS being spouted is due to those people buying into the inaccurate media speculation. But again people want to have a go at him because he wants to leave to a club with greater sporting ambition. Cesc is getting the same treatment from the fans as well for wanting to go, next will be RVP when he doesnt want to commit his future then it will be Theo. TH14 and Freddie even wanted to see more ambition from the club and even they were singled out way back when for saying so.

Get rid of the manager and I truly believe you will see happier players, a change in effort and a change in the mental focus we need. Its all there to see cleary whats going on but I think some fans cannot come to terms that maybe Wenger (or the board) have failed in what they set out to do.

Nasri wasnt the only one last season who went off the boil...Wilshere, Cesc, Song etc...all did

its was eerie how so many gave up the fight when there was still something to fight for.......thats mental and thats Wenger, plain and simple!

[IBK]

Nonsense, if he only had 4 good months with us than he wouldnt have been offered an extension before last season. He has been inconsistent at times but those having a dig about 4 months of playing well are only doing so because the player wants to leave the club to go elsewhere.

Nasri wasnt the only one last season who went off the boil...Wilshere, Cesc, Song etc...all did. This is not an individual problem its a Managment issue. WEnger is a poor with player management. He cannot keep his players focused and he lets them get away with the same shite over and over again. But some fans are failing to acknowlege this and would rather point the finger at individual players rather than get to the real source of the problem.


Nasri has even said himself that its about trophies, not money. Most of the BS being spouted is due to those people buying into the inaccurate media speculation. But again people want to have a go at him because he wants to leave to a club with greater sporting ambition. Cesc is getting the same treatment from the fans as well for wanting to go, next will be RVP when he doesnt want to commit his future then it will be Theo. TH14 and Freddie even wanted to see more ambition from the club and even they were singled out way back when for saying so.

Get rid of the manager and I truly believe you will see happier players, a change in effort and a change in the mental focus we need. Its all there to see cleary whats going on but I think some fans cannot come to terms that maybe Wenger (or the board) have failed in what they set out to do.

Well argued, but I disagree.

Re your point about not being offered an extension if he had had only 4 good months, prior to last season. Loads of Arsenal players have been offered contract extensions on the basis of potential, not consistent performances, and Nasri was no different. Prior to last Summer, he had shown flashes of brilliance, nothing more. And this is precisely why he was offered what he was offered - a figure that the player and his agents clearly thought could be bettered. I am inclined to take the side of the club on this one. We can't on the one hand slag AW and the board off for paying so-called 'underperforming' players who have never achieved anything with us too much, and on the other criticise them for not breaking the bank to give Nasri what he wanted last Summer. Common sense dictates that the club adopts the same standards in any contract negotiation - offer a fair price based on performance, and the recognition, in the majority of cases, that full potential has yet to be fulfilled.

I find it a bit strange that the inclination amongst many seems to be to side with the palyer who refused to sign last Summer, rather than the club who attempted to sign him. I for one see an obvious strategy in the Nasri camp, not to sign in the hope of bettering his money later. And like with Flamini, I am rather sceptical of a player who suddenly started playing to his potential immediately thereafter, only to switch off in February.

I don't buy the trophies thing, either. I have no doubt that Nasri wants to be part of a successful team, but I refuse to accept that this is his primary motivation. We were absolutely flying at the turn of the year - but did he engage in negotiations re the contract that had been offered him then? No. Keeping your options open is not the same as playing for trophies. Yes - any player who gets offered more money at a club with expectations of winning things will take it. But the fact that generally speaking the clubs with the big money are the sucessful ones shouldn't amount to this automatic 'defence' of the likes of Nasri.

As others have said, the 'ambition' argument is easier to take from players who have put real effort into achieving things with their current clubs. Nasri is not in the same boat at all here as TH14; Freddie; Vieira; Cesc. As for taking what Nasri says at face value...I'm afraid that it is plain naive to think that what any want away player says has not been orchestrated by his agent and PR team.

And I think that this defence that Nasri wasn't the only one who went off the boil last season rather misses the point too. For me, if you want to be the highest wage earner at the club, then you cannot look to everyone else, you have to be prepared to be the go to guy - the one that keeps going when others are fading. that's what justifies your price tag. If you are going to go missing when lesser players do, then you deserve to get paid what they get paid.

That is in my view why Nasri is being 'singled out'.

[Champagne Charlie]

Excellent post. Spot on imo.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well argued, but I disagree.

Re your point about not being offered an extension if he had had only 4 good months, prior to last season. Loads of Arsenal players have been offered contract extensions on the basis of potential, not consistent performances, and Nasri was no different. Prior to last Summer, he had shown flashes of brilliance, nothing more. And this is precisely why he was offered what he was offered - a figure that the player and his agents clearly thought could be bettered. I am inclined to take the side of the club on this one. We can't on the one hand slag AW and the board off for paying so-called 'underperforming' players who have never achieved anything with us too much, and on the other criticise them for not breaking the bank to give Nasri what he wanted last Summer. Common sense dictates that the club adopts the same standards in any contract negotiation - offer a fair price based on performance, and the recognition, in the majority of cases, that full potential has yet to be fulfilled.

I find it a bit strange that the inclination amongst many seems to be to side with the palyer who refused to sign last Summer, rather than the club who attempted to sign him. I for one see an obvious strategy in the Nasri camp, not to sign in the hope of bettering his money later. And like with Flamini, I am rather sceptical of a player who suddenly started playing to his potential immediately thereafter, only to switch off in February.

I don't buy the trophies thing, either. I have no doubt that Nasri wants to be part of a successful team, but I refuse to accept that this is his primary motivation. We were absolutely flying at the turn of the year - but did he engage in negotiations re the contract that had been offered him then? No. Keeping your options open is not the same as playing for trophies. Yes - any player who gets offered more money at a club with expectations of winning things will take it. But the fact that generally speaking the clubs with the big money are the sucessful ones shouldn't amount to this automatic 'defence' of the likes of Nasri.

As others have said, the 'ambition' argument is easier to take from players who have put real effort into achieving things with their current clubs. Nasri is not in the same boat at all here as TH14; Freddie; Vieira; Cesc. As for taking what Nasri says at face value...I'm afraid that it is plain naive to think that what any want away player says has not been orchestrated by his agent and PR team.

And I think that this defence that Nasri wasn't the only one who went off the boil last season rather misses the point too. For me, if you want to be the highest wage earner at the club, then you cannot look to everyone else, you have to be prepared to be the go to guy - the one that keeps going when others are fading. that's what justifies your price tag. If you are going to go missing when lesser players do, then you deserve to get paid what they get paid.

That is in my view why Nasri is being 'singled out'.

[Coney]

Didn't Nasri struggle after coming back from injury though?

Careful - we wouldn't want any facts to get in the way.