Match reaction vs the Mancs

[Bergkampwonderland10]

We did indeed, but I would say that those 3 players were the most crucial in making sure we didn't finish mid-table - which is a very real prospect if things continue as they are now.

And just as an aside...I heard that the left back at Swansea...Ben Davis or something? Earns 400GBP a week and 1000GBP bonus when he plays in the first team...he looks quality...we spend almost 6million on Santos?!!! Find 15 players with some heart and we'll have a squad worthy of competing...yet again we find ourselves laden with 'hangers-on' - get rid of them and bring in some new fresh faces that want to do everything for our shirt.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And just as an aside...I heard that the left back at Swansea...Ben Davis or something? Earns 400GBP a week and 1000GBP bonus when he plays in the first team...he looks quality...we spend almost 6million on Santos?!!! Find 15 players with some heart and we'll have a squad worthy of competing...yet again we find ourselves laden with 'hangers-on' - get rid of them and bring in some new fresh faces that want to do everything for our shirt.

They got one called Neil Taylor who is 1st choice he is much better then Ben and Santos.

We did indeed, but I would say that those 3 players were the most crucial in making sure we didn't finish mid-table - which is a very real prospect if things continue as they are now.

Oh i agree amd no doubt, without 2 of them we will struggle.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We can't disguise the fact that we're looking like a team that's run out of ideas already. Even though we were shocking last year, we had just bought a load of new players and there was a sense of optimism. Besides that, our three remaining longest servicing Arsenal players leading tue charge. Now we are playing without those three players. It's too muh of a transition and there isn't one class player in the starting line up that has the experience to lead the team. Our top goal scorers and creators are both on the bench! We're in serious trouble this year.

We look like a team with no quality, well only 1 or 2 bits, cause thats what we are. Me you and Zimm and berkampwonderland10 can see it and everyone on here, but Wenger and his lot seems to think its ok. As SWAYR says, we were fucked when quality replacements never came in for those we sold, instead of Wenger and co putting money in their bannks.

Like NQ says, its not the Board or the manager or the players who leave who suffer its us the fans.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much.

We sold them our captain and best player. You couldn't get a clearer admission that we don't see ourselves as credible rivals to them now.

I'm not going to wring my hands about a defeat away at Old Trafford. We're competing with teams like Liverpool, Spurs and Newcastle now, not Chelsea or the Manchester clubs.

This, its sad ti think it but we are.

I think people are being unrealistic if they think we can go to Old Trafford and win these days. The club's ambitions are clear. They want to finish 4th and you don't need to win at OT to achieve that. We were playing for damage limitation from the first minute. We weren't actually playing to try to win, so why on earth expect it? Time for some people to wake up and smell the coffee.

We have not won at old trafford alot of them time anyways, so its not as if we have a great record there. But with this team, it was clear there was less less of a chance.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Referee was fine

Yes he made couple of mistakes but nothing major.

Cleverley should have been sent off but was warned. He did the same with Wilshere so cant complain. Difference is they have the best manager in the world, he saw a problem and fixed it. We have an awlful one.

Hold on i thought you said Jose was the best manager in the world.

he saw a problem and fixed it. We have an awlful one.

Diffrence is they could bring on an Anderson and still look good. At 2-0 up was never going to changed the game. Our squad is so shie, and although Jack should have been taken off, which any manager with sense would have done, there was no one with quality to replace him with.

But yeay we were poor not even jack gettin sent off made a diffrence. But hey least Jack gets a rest for a few games.

[Cripps_orig]

Jose is the best manager in the world at what he does

Our squad is Wengers squad. If our squad is shite which it is then its all down to Wenger.

If we had no attacking midfield options on the bench to replace Jack then thats down to Wenger. He takes full responsibility of us reaching rock bottom and any other club who is interested in trophies and being successful would have sacked their manager right now but we have the worst board in the business to go with the worst manager and that as we have seen is not a good combination

[Marc Overmars]

I'm not sure that logic works. It was 10 different games although we did have a similarly tough start.
This year we've already played the 3 top sides - 2 away - and only got one point from those 3 games.
Last year we lost away at Blackburn, ManYoo and Spurs and at home to Liverpool in the first 10 games.
This year we've drawn too many but a point away at Stoke and City isn't a disaster losing away at Utd and home to Chelsea (who are clearly a very different side to last year - our 10th game then was the 5-3 at Stamford Bridge but they were all over the shop for the first half of last season)

Last year we had 5 home and 5 away games in the first 10, this year it's been 4 at home and 6 away and overall, having played the top 3 sides (who will certainly all be top 3 come May) this year has been a tougher start than last year.

Early season we were looking pretty good. Now we're not. If we can recapture our early season form then overall I think we'll do better this year, points wise. If not then probably not. But 10 games is too early to be that sure IMO.

Tough fixtures or not, it's the level of performance that's most concerning and our results so far reflect that. Too many sloppy mistakes and games where we just haven't looked threatening at all.

I think we've only played well in 3 maybe 4 games this season at best.

[Power n Glory]

Tough fixtures or not, it's the level of performance that's most concerning and our results so far reflect that. Too many sloppy mistakes and games where we just haven't looked threatening at all.

I think we've only played well in 3 maybe 4 games this season at best.

Exactly. Hard fixtures or not, the team look flat the motivation just isn't there whether it's against small teams, big teams or Champions League. They're not responding. The work rate and urgency isn't there and that's a huge concern because even in the hard fixtures the team look unmotivated when they should be pumped and ready to go.

[Özim]

Saw the interview with Wenger on the BBC, as usual bemoaning bad decisions etc etc

Some f*cker needs to ask him why 10 games into the season his team are already way off the pace and is defensively awful and offensively toothless. They could also ask him what money in the game has to do with losing to teams like Norwich and Schalke and barely having a shot on goal in several games. Some could also ask him why year on year he continues to rely on players who are always injured as well as why he plays players who were embarrasingly awful in the previous match.

Put the f*cker on the spot for f*cksake and make him answer some hard questions about his performance!!!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Exactly. Hard fixtures or not, the team look flat the motivation just isn't there whether it's against small teams, big teams or Champions League. They're not responding. The work rate and urgency isn't there and that's a huge concern because even in the hard fixtures the team look unmotivated when they should be pumped and ready to go.

Tough fixtures or not, it's the level of performance that's most concerning and our results so far reflect that. Too many sloppy mistakes and games where we just haven't looked threatening at all.

I think we've only played well in 3 maybe 4 games this season at best.

Thats because the team is only good enough for a top 4 finish, if you expected to team to be better then they are then more fool you. Half the team is no good, then you have players who are not even settled into this league. We were never going to get of the ground straight away.