Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

[Özim]

which was my point.

thanks for agreeing.

Well that wasn't your point initially though, as per below post:

but surely work rate and strength are the two most important attributes for being able to beat players?

They're not, balance and skill on the ball are, strength is desirable but not essential as I mentioned.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sleep caught up with me and I did not watch the game as we get all games live over here. . .she mentioned that Berbatov was a handful and it was obvious that we had shot ourselves in the foot again. . .

I have not read through the majority of this thread but I can imagine the general direction. . .there was a point last season that I contemplated joining the Wenger Out crew, this year? Im not there yet but yiu have to admit we are not doing a good job in an area of the club.

I do think we really messed up this summer by not fully replacing those we lost, those that want to leave can go in my opinion but we have to bring in replacements, the squad lost more again and I dont see what Wenger thinks he can achieve, Santi Giro Pod should have been considered additions, RvP and Song going were to need more imports to cover. . .Berbatov may not have been the answer but I do think we tend to deceive ourselves with our current perception of what equates to Arsenal quality!

This, heck we could have asked for Hernandez has part of the RVp deal, for me this is where we show we are not good at business.

Heck we should have splashed out on a Llorente and Isco and Mvilla just took a risk. We'd be much better off. Then layers like Giroud may not feel so much pressure.

How is it Utd can sell Ronaldo for £80 mill, but we can't sell our best players for more then £25 mill.

[Power n Glory]

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you're ability to generate a load of tosh from a post is quite an art.

you're analysing something way too deeply, as usual.

it was nothing more than a discussion branded with some subjective statements.

Touchy. It's a question!

The best dribblers learn ball control and technique first. If strength and work rate were the most important, as you argued, we'd have more players hitting the gym from young instead of learning control and technique.

[Power n Glory]

Well that wasn't your point initially though, as per below post:



They're not, balance and skill on the ball are, strength is desirable but not essential as I mentioned.

Thank you. I disagree with what he's saying about strength and work rate which is why I listed players like Zidane and Robinho in the first place.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Thanks a lot . I meant both . Those who went to the game and those who watched it live on TV .
Normally , our post-match reaction should have been according to certain actions bad or good from our team or the other team . Someone should have described how it went on and event the referee performance can also be interesting . But you get people just saying it was shit without telling what made the game shit .

Yeah thats because by the time those who went to the game, get back the thread is filled with 10 pages of reaction whether its a loss or a win. The game was not on tv yesterday you have to wait till football 1st comes on and by that time this thread is filled. Someone on here said yesterday they normally watch the games back and analyse them to see where we went wrong. (Png) i think. However could not be bothered as he felt it was just the same thing over and over again.

But you get people just saying it was shit without telling what made the game shit .

Yeah, but thats just kneejerking in association with the result.

[Cripps_orig]

My post match reaction was spot on

[Marc Overmars]

This, heck we could have asked for Hernandez has part of the RVp deal, for me this is where we show we are not good at business.

Heck we should have splashed out on a Llorente and Isco and Mvilla just took a risk. We'd be much better off. Then layers like Giroud may not feel so much pressure.

How is it Utd can sell Ronaldo for £80 mill, but we can't sell our best players for more then £25 mill.

I doubt Fergie would have given us Hernandez.

Ronaldo was the best player in the world and courted by Real Madrid who have broken the world record transfer fee several times, that's how they got 80m.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I doubt Fergie would have given us Hernandez.

Ronaldo was the best player in the world and courted by Real Madrid who have broken the world record transfer fee several times, that's how they got 80m.

Fair do's

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

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Touchy. It's a question!

The best dribblers learn ball control and technique first. If strength and work rate were the most important, as you argued, we'd have more players hitting the gym from young instead of learning control and technique.

no not at all, i just thought the question you posed was quite patronising. but if we're going to analyse it thoroughly then its a hand in hand process that varies according to each player. they're not mutually exclusive like we're making out they are. some players need strength, others need to work on their balance. in all cases you need a contribution of both. personally i think strength is one of the most important aspects when dribbling, although less so nowadays simply because the art of dribbling has died and we're seeing teams pass their way out of situations.

and the debate intially rose from a point zimm made about tevez being 'overrated' and aguero 'far' superior, which is very dubious, especially when tevez has actually outperformed aguero to this day. but as i said, swings and roundabouts.

[Power n Glory]

no not at all, i just thought the question you posed was quite patronising. but if we're going to analyse it thoroughly then its a hand in hand process that varies according to each player. they're not mutually exclusive like we're making out they are. some players need strength, others need to work on their balance. in all cases you need a contribution of both. personally i think strength is one of the most important aspects when dribbling, although less so nowadays simply because the art of dribbling has died and we're seeing teams pass their way out of situations.

and the debate intially rose from a point zimm made about tevez being 'overrated' and aguero 'far' superior, which is very dubious, especially when tevez has actually outperformed aguero to this day. but as i said, swings and roundabouts.

But if we're talking the most important attribute here, come on, it's not strength and work rate. Robinho doesn't need that to pass players. He didn't need to bulk up before playing in the Prem.

I've dribblers that are also powerful on the ball, like the original Ronaldo. An absulute beast of a player that could ride challenges and hold players off with strength. Or Henry is another example. Strong and quick.

But on the flipside, you have players like Robinho or the many Barca players. Quick, small build but great dribblers. They don't have to hold a man off when dribbling, they just ghost past them because opposition players can't get close enough to them.

Question may seem patronising but it's the truth. If strength and work rate was more important, then chunky players like Emile Hesky should be great dribblers. If check out how Brazlian kids develop there skills, you'll see it's all ball control and skills and not strength. I'm not saying strength and work rate won't help, but it's not the most important thing.