is there a scenario for wenger to stay?

[Power n Glory]

This. Like i said he is still a good manager and its dumb for anyone to question that, because he has not won a thing in 7 years. But I just don't think he and this club are good for each other anymore.

And i think as much as we needs a new challenge.



Your not the only one, football is not the game it once was.

[IBK]

@ the OP. I'm afraid not.

Some thoughts...I feel strongly that the difference between formerly AKB Gooners and those who have been calling for Wenger's head for some time does not represent any blindness or difference in insight between the 2. Generally speaking, up until relatively recently it has been a debate between those who feel that we should have won silverware/shown more ambition as a club and those who have been more prepared to take into account the disparity in spending power between us an the new rich clubs and the stadium project/rebuilding/development that the club was going through.

Both views were equally justifiable - and it is no surprise that many fans felt that Wenger had earnt the right to be given time, not just because of what he has given the club in terms of the success years and the stadium - but because he had consistently delivered CL football in some sense against the odds. This is not a 'trophy' in itself - but is certainly a reason to stand by a manager.

But it now feels as though something fundamental has changed. What we are seeing now does not feel like a loss of form, a slump like we have seen so many times over the years. It feels as though something rotten in Wenger's methods and approach to the game is being exposed. Its not a question of silverware. Its a question of seeing your team with a purpose; of seeing the basics of character and application. We are not seeing this - and fans are rightly questioning whether a team so lacking in these basic attributes can ever be successful.

Wenger's training methods; his misguided obsession with wage parity; his lax attitude towards discipline on the pitch (presumably at the training ground); his tactical blind spots and his refusal to set his teams up to play the opposition appear to have resulted now in a team pretty much in freefall (an exaggeration perhaps - but not interms of our relationship with the top 3 teams in the league). With the stellar talent now sold off, there is little to paper over the cracks - yet the talent we still have is woefully underperforming. This is down to the manager. Not the board. Not the opposition. And it is naive to think that a proud and stubborn man who has done it his way for 17 years will change. He won't. All leaders have their time, and Wenger's is clearly up.

But - and here's the frightening thing. The club structure that he has been so loyal in defending is a shambles. An American majority shareholder in open dispute with an Uzbek billionaire. A chief executive who appears unfit for purpose. Noone seemingly able to challenge or influence the manager. Do we really think that this is an organisation able to demonstrate the clarity of purpose and good judgment to appoint a more illustrious successor to Wenger? I am very afraid of what is going to happen in the power vaccuum of Wenger leaving. I can see us being a Liverpool or an Aston Villa. I'm afraid that the bad times may only just be beginning.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well he is, never said he was worldclass etc. He is still a good manager, just cause you don't believe it don't meant its no true.

[selassie]

Agreed.

Though. There is still this part of me that wants him to go and win something. Stick it up everyone who doubted him (including me now), and give it one big last ultimate WUMger.

I don't care what anyone says (and people are always entitled to think what they want of others), I will always treasure watching his teams from 96 to 2006 espcially.

What's wierd, is that I'm falling out of love with football, just as much as Arsene is falling out of favour with me. The two aren't directly linked....but they are by a few degrees of separation.

Me too LDG. I would love him to win something for us.

Wenger use to build brilliant teams, there is no question about. He also had us playing superb football up until a few seasons ago IMHO, not now...we've been struggling for a while if i'm honest.

I really do think he's lost his way now, time for a change.

[Power n Glory]

Well he is, never said he was worldclass etc. He is still a good manager, just cause you don't believe it don't meant its no true.

Again....

The clue was there in bold.

[Xhaka Can’t]

IBK, that is an excellent post.

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[Olivier's xmas twist]

@ the OP. I'm afraid not.

Some thoughts...I feel strongly that the difference between formerly AKB Gooners and those who have been calling for Wenger's head for some time does not represent any blindness or difference in insight between the 2. Generally speaking, up until relatively recently it has been a debate between those who feel that we should have won silverware/shown more ambition as a club and those who have been more prepared to take into account the disparity in spending power between us an the new rich clubs and the stadium project/rebuilding/development that the club was going through.

Both views were equally justifiable - and it is no surprise that many fans felt that Wenger had earnt the right to be given time, not just because of what he has given the club in terms of the success years and the stadium - but because he had consistently delivered CL football in some sense against the odds. This is not a 'trophy' in itself - but is certainly a reason to stand by a manager.

But it now feels as though something fundamental has changed. What we are seeing now does not feel like a loss of form, a slump like we have seen so many times over the years. It feels as though something rotten in Wenger's methods and approach to the game is being exposed. Its not a question of silverware. Its a question of seeing your team with a purpose; of seeing the basics of character and application. We are not seeing this - and fans are rightly questioning whether a team so lacking in these basic attributes can ever be successful.

Wenger's training methods; his misguided obsession with wage parity; his lax attitude towards discipline on the pitch (presumably at the training ground); his tactical blind spots and his refusal to set his teams up to play the opposition appear to have resulted now in a team pretty much in freefall (an exaggeration perhaps - but not interms of our relationship with the top 3 teams in the league). With the stellar talent now sold off, there is little to paper over the cracks - yet the talent we still have is woefully underperforming. This is down to the manager. Not the board. Not the opposition. And it is naive to think that a proud and stubborn man who has done it his way for 17 years will change. He won't. All leaders have their time, and Wenger's is clearly up.

But - and here's the frightening thing. The club structure that he has been so loyal in defending is a shambles. An American majority shareholder in open dispute with an Uzbek billionaire. A chief executive who appears unfit for purpose. Noone seemingly able to challenge or influence the manager. Do we really think that this is an organisation able to demonstrate the clarity of purpose and good judgment to appoint a more illustrious successor to Wenger? I am very afraid of what is going to happen in the power vaccuum of Wenger leaving. I can see us being a Liverpool or an Aston Villa. I'm afraid that the bad times may only just be beginning.

Spot on.

[Kano]

Well he is, never said he was worldclass etc. He is still a good manager, just cause you don't believe it don't meant its no true.

well of course you are right, you still have to be a good manager to be anywhere in this league.

it's just that 'good' isn't 'good enough' for arsenal football club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Again....

The clue was there in bold.

Dpenends if you think Trophies are the be all and end all.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

well of course you are right, you still have to be a good manager to be anywhere in this league.

it's just that 'good' isn't 'good enough' for arsenal football club.

Which was my point.

He is not the bad manager that everyone makes him out to be. Or some guy the likes of Coyle can do better then etc.