Match Reaction v Aston Villa

[Özim]

So what he picks up 7 mill who really cares.

Everyone does when he delivers nothing on the pitch, if he was being successful noone would give a sh*t...but the fact he's picked up nothing in 7 years makes this very relevant.

In simple terms, to the fans he's not worth the money.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Everyone does when he delivers nothing on the pitch, if he was being successful noone would give a sh*t...but the fact he's picked up nothing in 7 years makes this very relevant.

In simple terms, to the fans he's not worth the money.

Who is everyone. not me don't give a shit what money he is on. They pay him that good luck to him, only a fool would turn that down.

He could get 1 million id still want him gone.

In simple terms, to the fans he's not worth the money.

Funny that the most importamt people who decided that think diffrent.

[Özim]

I'm concentrating my efforts on the original argument that was made - Ferguson wouldn't dance to the tune of his shareholders. Given the various discussion have now diverged into questions of whether Ferguson is the best manager or not (which had nothing to do with the original argument) I'm assuming the answer must be yes, Ferguson does indeed dance just like Wenger.

I agree we have problems on the pitch and the manager has to take responsibility for those. But I'd like to get the fantasy accusations out of the way too, because that will make it easier to focus on the real issues.

I don't totally agree that he dances to the tune of the shareholders. Ferguson has always been a winner and has always done everything to make his sides successful, what he's concerned about is being able to keep winning, by all intents and purposes this has continued to happen under the Glazers so I don't see why he would have a problem with them?

If he suddenly couldn't compete, couldn't sign the players he wanted and was winning anything then you might have a point. For me that's the big difference, little has changed for Ferguson, he won before they arrived and has continued to do so and has been able to spend money, Wenger hasn't won in years and yet is still happy to sit there praising our non-achievements....when did winning become secondary to money to him?

[Özim]

Who is everyone. not me don't give a shit what money he is on. They pay him that good luck to him, only a fool would turn that down.

He could get 1 million id still want him gone.



Funny that the most importamt people who decided that think diffrent.

The fans, I think they care that their manager who is delivering nothing and is proving inept is getting paid huge amounts. I think the fact he's earning huge amounts really rubs it into people's faces, it just shows he's very much part of this money issue we have.

Of course they think differently, they're making a shedload out of it, why wouldn't they? I tell you what though, in most businesses if large parts of the client base aren't happy, changes are made and they certainly don't dare to blame the customers, if they did they'd soon find they had no customers left.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The fans, I think they care that their manager who is delivering nothing and is proving inept is getting paid huge amounts. I think the fact he's earning huge amounts really rubs it into people's faces, it just shows he's very much part of this money issue we have.

Of course they think differently, they're making a shedload out of it, why wouldn't they? I tell you what though, in most businesses if large parts of the client base aren't happy, changes are made and they certainly don't dare to blame the customers, if they did they'd soon find they had no customers left.

Fair enough, personally it don't bother me, i want him out like you and unlike Ollie he has no chances left with im me. Id want him out if he was earning less too.

IMO its time for him to go, he has done his bit, now we say thanks for the memories. I don't disagree with you, when you say he is not the man he used to be.

[fakeyank]

Oh okay. Glad you have such a finely tuned grasp of what Ferguson would or wouldn't have done in various imaginary situations. And I agree, these imagined events certainly cast Wenger in a poor light.

I am basing it off what most top managers would do. SAF being the only direct person I can compare to in the PL. These assumptions are very similar to the assumptions you make about the workings of the board and Stan. Where are you basing your 'facts' or 'fats' (as Rafa says) from? Your imaginary life or just your hatred for anybody who is rich?

And what part of my post was imaginary about SAF being able to spend 25 million quid on a 29 year old, Wenger not being able to spend a couple of million extra quid on players we needed or the fact that SAF re-invested the Ronaldo money?

[Niall_Quinn]

I am basing it off what most top managers would do. SAF being the only direct person I can compare to in the PL. These assumptions are very similar to the assumptions you make about the workings of the board and Stan. Where are you basing your 'facts' or 'fats' (as Rafa says) from? Your imaginary life or just your hatred for anybody who is rich?

And what part of my post was imaginary about SAF being able to spend 25 million quid on a 29 year old, Wenger not being able to spend a couple of million extra quid on players we needed or the fact that SAF re-invested the Ronaldo money?

I'm basing my facts on facts, or £500million and a bloodbath in the boardroom if you want the details. This has nothing to do with people being rich, in fact I wouldn't mind being rich myself. Another example of your assumptions running riot.

I just don't place much stock in "Ferguson would do this or Ferguson would think that" theorising when that theory is then cast as a factually based conclusion and used to beat Wenger. I'm not saying you can't do it, that's up to you. All I'm saying is I don't place any credence in it.

[fakeyank]

I'm basing my facts on facts, or £500million and a bloodbath in the boardroom if you want the details.

Yes, I'd like to see details of where you have information of AW's hands being tied by the board in terms of signing players. Links? Videos? And what is the bloodbath you are talking about? Are you referring to the fight between Usmanov and Kroenke to takeover Arsenal? If that is what you are inferring, show how any of that has affected AW's ability to run this club footballistically? Again.. links or valid quotes from AW or the board members would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsenal midfielder Mikel Arteta has defended manager Arsene Wenger in the wake of fan criticism at the weekend.

Wenger withdrew striker Olivier Giroud for midfielder Francis Coquelin during Saturday's goalless draw at Aston Villa, sparking chants of 'You don't know what you're doing' from the visiting fans.

Arteta respects the right of supporters to voice their frustrations but insists Wenger has his reasons for every decision he makes.

"They can say whatever they want," Arteta told Sky Sports News.

"If they feel that way it has to be respected. Even when they say something to one of us."I think he has got experience and he has been here for 15 years. He is someone who knows the club better than anyone.

"He knows the players really well and he knows what he can get from each of us.

"So when he puts the team out, obviously it's because he wants to win it and he's picked the best team - that day - to win that game.

"He is always trying to do the best, you know. And some of the decisions he takes are very unpopular. But if he takes them it's because he's got a reason.

"If he does it once then maybe it's a mistake but if he does it four or five times then there is a reason why and he'll explain that better than anyone."

However, the focus of the French coach remains unmoved.

"My job is to give full commitment to this club, with integrity. That's what I always do without expecting any return," Wenger said.

"I don't want to comment on that [fans]. I just make sure that I do my job properly - that's what I do."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...m-Arsenal-fans

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yes, I'd like to see details of where you have information of AW's hands being tied by the board in terms of signing players. Links? Videos? And what is the bloodbath you are talking about? Are you referring to the fight between Usmanov and Kroenke to takeover Arsenal? If that is what you are inferring, show how any of that has affected AW's ability to run this club footballistically? Again.. links or valid quotes from AW or the board members would be appreciated. Thanks!