Match Reaction v Aston Villa

[Özim]

So the thread was as exciting as the match?

We can blame Wenger for the match. No one can dispute that. Who do we blame for the thread?

NQ will tell you the board are at fault for the match...and the substitutions...and the tactics.....and the motivation.....greed does funny things.

[Niall_Quinn]

There isn't much to figure out and there is no grand conspiracy. If Wenger has the ability to try and force up the price for the RVP deal, get the board to accept less for Cesc's deal and keep hold of Walcott even though we lose money, what is that telling you? There is a level of control there staring right at us but you're refusing to see. Again, Fergie called Wenger to negotiate the RVP deal. It really does seem like you're trying as hard as possible to fit this into a major conspiracy involving the board. Again, Fergie called Wenger to get the deal done. One manager spoke to another manger. That's a clue in how managers do business. Stan didn't call the Glazers's to push the deal through.

It's pretty simple. You've seen Wenger's reaction when people undermine him. Do you really think he'd stand for the board selling his players without his approval?

Are you serious? I'm taking neither of the extreme positions. I don't believe he has control neither do I believe he has zero influence. Like any senior executive at any company he will have significant influence in some areas and very little in others. So what, do you think Fergie phoned Wenger and they set a deal and Wenger walked into the boardroom to tell them the details? Is that how it works in a big company? And before that he walked in and said, guess what guys - I have accepted less money for Fabregas. Why does a realistic picture of a business have to be a conspiracy theory?

As for the board selling players out from under him, I doubt that happens either and it's another extremely simplified view. There's a player involved too. If the general environment is one of minor or zero investment that has led to a failure to effectively compete then the players want to leave if they think they can get better elsewhere. The lack of investment is not a blatant act of selling players against the will of the manager, but it won't help keep the players at the club either, will it? This is a complex business, not a group of guys standing in various corners throwing mud at each other. And neither will it be everyone standing in the middle of the room slapping each other on the back. Dein, for example, is more than aware of that fact.

Haven't you ever experienced a work environment? People agree, disagree, collaborate and the company moves on weighted consensus with those who have invested the most having the most influence on the most important decisions. Would Kroenke get involved in the costing for toner for the photocopier? Probably not. Would he be involved in setting the overall annual budget and financial policies? I would think so. Does he consult Wenger? On some matters it would be wise to no doubt.

In the end though, it's just silly pretending Wenger runs Arsenal and there have been a lot of words expended on a completely unrealistic business scenario. Why do you guys persist? What's the purpose? Wenger isn't going to leave because wild accusations are being thrown around GW.

[Cripps_orig]

Another NQ shocker then?

[Niall_Quinn]

You ignored my valid points completely so I moved on.

Fact is he's no victim he's a big problem and part and parcel of this money thing, he endorses it and gets paid handsomely for it.

Jeez, I missed a whinge - and I thought I'd got them all. Sorry about that.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Are you serious? I'm taking neither of the extreme positions. I don't believe he has control neither do I believe he has zero influence. Like any senior executive at any company he will have significant influence in some areas and very little in others. So what, do you think Fergie phoned Wenger and they set a deal and Wenger walked into the boardroom to tell them the details? Is that how it works in a big company? And before that he walked in and said, guess what guys - I have accepted less money for Fabregas. Why does a realistic picture of a business have to be a conspiracy theory?

As for the board selling players out from under him, I doubt that happens either and it's another extremely simplified view. There's a player involved too. If the general environment is one of minor or zero investment that has led to a failure to effectively compete then the players want to leave if they think they can get better elsewhere. The lack of investment is not a blatant act of selling players against the will of the manager, but it won't help keep the players at the club either, will it? This is a complex business, not a group of guys standing in various corners throwing mud at each other. And neither will it be everyone standing in the middle of the room slapping each other on the back. Dein, for example, is more than aware of that fact.

Haven't you ever experienced a work environment? People agree, disagree, collaborate and the company moves on weighted consensus with those who have invested the most having the most influence on the most important decisions. Would Kroenke get involved in the costing for toner for the photocopier? Probably not. Would he be involved in setting the overall annual budget and financial policies? I would think so. Does he consult Wenger? On some matters it would be wise to no doubt.

In the end though, it's just silly pretending Wenger runs Arsenal and there have been a lot of words expended on a completely unrealistic business scenario. Why do you guys persist? What's the purpose? Wenger isn't going to leave because wild accusations are being thrown around GW.

its ramseys fault.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ will tell you the board are at fault for the match...and the substitutions...and the tactics.....and the motivation.....greed does funny things.

This doesn't work on me.

[Özim]

Jeez, I missed a whinge - and I thought I'd got them all. Sorry about that.

Surprising, I thought you'd be the expert on those kind of things.

[Özim]

This doesn't work on me.

Doesn't work on me either, that's why I don't agree with your posts most of the time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Doesn't work on me either, that's why I don't agree with your posts most of the time.

Same to you x 1 million and I'm shutting my eyes so I can't see your response which means I win

[Özim]

Same to you x 1 million and I'm shutting my eyes so I can't see your response which means I win

Careful though, I thought I saw PHW sniffing around when you mentioned 1 million.