Wenger Slaughterhouse

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He's more than good enough but he's got far too much pride to admit things aren't working as effectively as he'd like. He's been flogging a dead horse for years now, it doesn't matter who we buy because he wants to play in a certain way and sees no other option. Too many players in recent years have spoken about having to adapt to unfamilar roles, that's got to tell you something.

Agree. He is still a good manager, but that Arsenal and Arsene Wenger love affair for me needs to end, both need new challenges. I think Wenger needs to go somewhere, that motivates him again. We need freshness as well.

[LDG]

I want him to stay.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Agree. He is still a good manager, but that Arsenal and Arsene Wenger love affair for me needs to end, both need new challenges. I think Wenger needs to go somewhere, that motivates him again. We need freshness as well.

Agreed.

Klopp for "freshness".

[Özim]

You can't really blame some of the substitutions and tactics on stubborness, those are down to incompetence...stubborness is sticking with something that doesn't work, incompetence is making strange decisions and doing things that don't make sense.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You can't really blame some of the substitutions and tactics on stubborness, those are down to incompetence...stubborness is sticking with something that doesn't work, incompetence is making strange decisions and doing things that don't make sense.

Arsene likes to play tippy tappy and won't change it, down is down to stubborness, nothing to do with being incompetent.

stubborness is sticking with something that doesn't work

Yes like keep playing 433, or won't or keep playing Ramsey cause you think he will make the diffrence, thats all being stubborn. Subs your right that is down to incopetence.

[-Xs-]

You can't really blame some of the substitutions and tactics on stubborness, those are down to incompetence...stubborness is sticking with something that doesn't work, incompetence is making strange decisions and doing things that don't make sense.

And isn't it a sign of insanity doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results?

[selassie]

Well I personally think that it's a combination of stubborness and imcompetance with Wenger. I think we all know where the problems lie, the glaring ones anyway

hit and miss transfer policy
mismanaged squad
mismanaged wage structure
lack of defensive strategy
over reliance on crocked players, not 1 or 2, a handful of them.
misguided faith in players

A lot of the above are personal choices, not enforced ones and that is down to one man.

[Niall_Quinn]

The board - at fault (and legalised thieves and wreckers)
The manager - at fault.
The players - at fault.

I just wonder how difficult it is to motivate a kid who already has everything by the age of 22? More money than he knows what to do with, fawning fans, fawning media - is this why the standard of the game is dropping in general and so rapidly?

All I know is I have to fight every fucking month just to keep a roof over the families head. It's not about mindset or confidence or motivation or any of that shit for me and millions of others like me. It's about get it done or get the fuck out on the street, starve and freeze to death. Therefore the motivation comes for free, without a thought. It makes you hard as nails and it ensures you win a personal battle and the survival championship every fucking month, never mind once a year.

It makes me wonder what sort of a person I'd be if somebody came and dumped multiple millions of quid in my lap and spent the whole day telling me I was wonderful. There's a strong chance I'd grow fat, complacent, lazy and entitled. Who does that sound like? We actually have overweight players on our team, players who can't be bothered to get in shape. Players who are constantly hitting the media to tell everyone even more about themselves and how they aren't getting the love.

Then you hold out a tin pot and say do it for this, for a summer's bragging rights. When they were getting fifty quid a week and spending it down the pub with the fans then that's a lot to brag about. But now they are detached from the fans completely and earn enough money in a week to sort them for the year, how important are those pots? Or the traditions of a club? Or the support of the fans?

I know I couldn't manage a club because I'd murder all the players. This sport isn't the same thing we grew up with. It's not about the fight any more, or the pride or the tribal competition. It's all about the money. And money makes everything lazy and shit. Shit football, shit companies, shit politicians, shit everything when it's all about the money. Look around you and find something good, and by good I don't mean some chav celebrating the latest purchase.

In fact even the chavs are learning as they watch their hated foe Benitez lining up in blue. In better times you couldn't do that shit, nobody would stand for it. But now the money makes sense for the very few parties who actually have an interest. You have a manager who claims to be proud of his achievements, a european champion, whoring himself for a year as a stop gap. It's low.

The real way to get our Arsenal back and for the chavs to get their Chelsea back is for this poxy league to collapse in a steaming pile of debt. Then the money seekers will run away and leave it to the people who genuinely love this game to rebuild from the ashes. Then we'll have football again, where the managers, players and fans are hungry as fuck and striving with every sinew. Until then you'll get games like the gypos vs the chavs and us vs Villa, terrible parodies of football but with a pack of lying ****s hovering around screeching - what a game, magnificent, look at the emperor's fine clothes, best league in the world, give us your fucking money!

[Power n Glory]

I just wonder how difficult it is to motivate a kid who already has everything by the age of 22? More money than he knows what to do with, fawning fans, fawning media - is this why the standard of the game is dropping in general and so rapidly?

All I know is I have to fight every fucking month just to keep a roof over the families head. It's not about mindset or confidence or motivation or any of that shit for me and millions of others like me. It's about get it done or get the fuck out on the street, starve and freeze to death. Therefore the motivation comes for free, without a thought. It makes you hard as nails and it ensures you win a personal battle and the survival championship every fucking month, never mind once a year.

A bit one dimensional don't you think?

What kept Steve Jobs motivated? Same goes for guys like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates? Some of the richest men on the planet and they could have stopped working years ago. Same goes for some of the best muscians, actors and other succesful people under the spotlight?

The difference is, they get paid to do what they love doing and it's not just a job for them. That's the difference. If the average person had a choice about what they did for a living, they wouldn't be doing the normal every day shit.

[Xhaka Can’t]

A bit one dimensional don't you think?

What kept Steve Jobs motivated? Same goes for guys like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates? Some of the richest men on the planet and they could have stopped working years ago. Same goes for some of the best muscians, actors and other succesful people under the spotlight?

The difference is, they get paid to do what they love doing and it's not just a job for them. That's the difference. If the average person had a choice about what they did for a living, they wouldn't be doing the normal every day shit.

I honestly don't see how you can compare those examples to a bunch of twenty something footballers who are rewarded before rather than after they have achieved the fruits of their labour.



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