FUCK OFF NOW WENGER! YOU'RE A JOKE MAN.

[Grebbo]

Still a team full of bottlers back then, but they actually got far enough in things to bottle it. Arsene's teams post 05 were all full of bottlers and I think alot of that comes down to his management.

I dunno, I don't think they were bottlers. Just needed more experience to get over the finishing line. Once they got there I think they could have gone on and got success consistently.

The biggest bottlers were the Invincibles. Greatest team in our history and they did fuck all in Europe and couldn't even win back to back titles.

[LDG]

The media have protected him for years and have always speculated about how much money he has to spend and if he's getting the proper support. He's been sheilded from much of the blame because of his legacy. But he stands up for the Board when the media take shots at the way we're run. He redicules them for it.

I suppose you're right.

I'm just gutted

It just seems like a horrible vicious cycle, and it's just getting worse, and worse.....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I dunno, I don't think they were bottlers. Just needed more experience to get over the finishing line. Once they got there I think they could have gone on and got success consistently.

The biggest bottlers were the Invincibles. Greatest team in our history and they did fuck all in Europe and couldn't even win back to back titles.

Spot on, If you remember Pizza gate, before that game we were well ahead of the rest, after that game we, bottled the league and gave it to the chavs.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I still see articles saying there will be a much longer trophy drought if arsene goes and that fans should keep faith in him, personally I just think the people writing this crap are just fans of other clubs and are enjoying watching us suffer.

I don't think they mean he should stay, per say i think its more of a its going to take a long time to fix this mess sort of thing.

Rather then us to expect somethng big when a new man comes in. If that makes sense.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The media have protected him for years and have always speculated about how much money he has to spend and if he's getting the proper support. He's been sheilded from much of the blame because of his legacy. But he stands up for the Board when the media take shots at the way we're run. He redicules them for it.

But when he was winning, they loved him, even though he was the moany frenchmen they loved him. Maybe they big up his head a lil too, with the nice footie we play and when we had the invincibles, with the kids coming through saying how good they were etc made him think he could use them, why not.

When people in the media and fans say we don't care about stuff as long as we play pretty football, the club and manager we see that as doing the right him, not saying they not won't to win stuff but they see it as the fans not being too bothered.

[SayNoMore]

This club is reactive rather than proactive, even though the world knew we would get battered at OT, that diaby couldn't play on the left and is a fraud, that we would be struggling against some L2 side, that gervinho was bought for £12 million LOL, that ramsey is persistently played in some sort of attempt to sabotage our team, we still insist until we fall. Things like this ^^^ piss me off about wenger, i dont care where we finish as long as we play our best every game and do our utmost to win. That would make me fall back in the Wenger camp. The league position is an indication of the quality of the team + manager. We've had seasons where we had a better first team then MU and we finish 3rd or 4th and they win the league. The quality of the squad is questionable but the quality of our manager is glaringly obvious. Pretty good but not great, which unfortunately isnt enough.

[IBK]

I feel no sympathy for Wenger, none at all.

I do not believe that the board is preventing him from doing what he wants to do as manager. IMO the idea is ludicrous. For one, if he is being forced into looking like a shadow of his former self - why not walk? Plenty of managers have done when they feel undermined. Second, look at all the dud players that AW has signed, who are now being paid so much that our wage bill is obscenely bloated relative to the talent we have. Why would the board on the one hand allow him to piss away the club's resources, and on the other deny him the funds to keep his best players or to buy the players he wants. It just doesn't make sense.

Where the board is at fault is in allowing AW to have too much power and say in what's going on, not too little. Because he's a cash cow for them (by selling the crown jewels each year), they are happy and complacent in allowing a monomaniac to run the team down.

Let's face it. Wenger is washed up. His scouting network - that used to find hidden gems - is in tatters, and shown up by those of so-called lesser teams who are now doing a better job. With the bar much more level these days in terms of scouting; training methods; diet and general fitness, it is mental strength; tactics and man-management that creates the edge - and Wenger, never brilliant at any of these, is being left behind. His methodology is flawed, and its resulting in players going backwards rather than developing - and the players can see this and clearly no longer believe in him.

Football supporters and commentators aren't completely stupid. They have seen a situation like we are in before and are sensing blood. We are in an aircraft that is going down, but because the pilot has refused to allow any competent co-pilots to accompany him, there is noone to pull us out of the dive.

And in the back of the plane, our board is like a bunch of monkeys too busy eating their own faeces to even notice.

[LDG]

I feel no sympathy for Wenger, none at all.

I do not believe that the board is preventing him from doing what he wants to do as manager. IMO the idea is ludicrous. For one, if he is being forced into looking like a shadow of his former self - why not walk? Plenty of managers have done when they feel undermined. Second, look at all the dud players that AW has signed, who are now being paid so much that our wage bill is obscenely bloated relative to the talent we have. Why would the board on the one hand allow him to piss away the club's resources, and on the other deny him the funds to keep his best players or to buy the players he wants. It just doesn't make sense.

Where the board is at fault is in allowing AW to have too much power and say in what's going on, not too little. Because he's a cash cow for them (by selling the crown jewels each year), they are happy and complacent in allowing a monomaniac to run the team down.

Let's face it. Wenger is washed up. His scouting network - that used to find hidden gems - is in tatters, and shown up by those of so-called lesser teams who are now doing a better job. With the bar much more level these days in terms of scouting; training methods; diet and general fitness, it is mental strength; tactics and man-management that creates the edge - and Wenger, never brilliant at any of these, is being left behind. His methodology is flawed, and its resulting in players going backwards rather than developing - and the players can see this and clearly no longer believe in him.

Football supporters and commentators aren't completely stupid. They have seen a situation like we are in before and are sensing blood. We are in an aircraft that is going down, but because the pilot has refused to allow any competent co-pilots to accompany him, there is noone to pull us out of the dive.

And in the back of the plane, our board is like a bunch of monkeys too busy eating their own faeces to even notice.

Brilliant!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I feel no sympathy for Wenger, none at all.

I suppose once you start pittying the guy there is no way back.

[GP]

I pity the fool.