FUCK OFF NOW WENGER! YOU'RE A JOKE MAN.

[Niall_Quinn]

As he said though, noone forced the guy to stay on, he wasn't tied to a chair with a gun to his head, if he wasn't happy he could have walked away from the money and found another job. Clearly he's been very happy doing his job as he wants to do it.

You are so focused on Wenger you can't see the point. Swap Wenger for any name you want, the philosophy of this club isn't changing any time soon. Trying to paint the executives and owners as Wenger's puppets doesn't take into account who is doing well at Arsenal and who's suffering. There's a hierarchy of rewards with the fans at the bottom of the pile propping it up. Anyone who thinks the weight will be lifted when Wenger leaves is going to be crushed. It's not just the greed of the owners, it seems to me the players have fully realised what's happening are have found every conceivable way to milk the situation for maximum return with minimum effort. The next manager in has a hell of a job on his hands and I can think of maybe two names who MIGHT have a prayer, Ferguson or Mourinho. Both are impossible so whit Arsenal what you see is what you get for the medium term at least regardless of who comes in. Or put another way, change the pilots all you want but the monkeys don't travel with the fans anyway. They are on a completely different trip.

[Özim]

You are so focused on Wenger you can't see the point. Swap Wenger for any name you want, the philosophy of this club isn't changing any time soon. Trying to paint the executives and owners as Wenger's puppets doesn't take into account who is doing well at Arsenal and who's suffering. There's a hierarchy of rewards with the fans at the bottom of the pile propping it up. Anyone who thinks the weight will be lifted when Wenger leaves is going to be crushed. It's not just the greed of the owners, it seems to me the players have fully realised what's happening are have found every conceivable way to milk the situation for maximum return with minimum effort. The next manager in has a hell of a job on his hands and I can think of maybe two names who MIGHT have a prayer, Ferguson or Mourinho. Both are impossible so whit Arsenal what you see is what you get for the medium term at least regardless of who comes in. Or put another way, change the pilots all you want but the monkeys don't travel with the fans anyway. They are on a completely different trip.

A new manager will create a team in his image, hopefully using good tactics and ability to motivate and some good coaching. In addition any new manager would get money to invest, that's always the way at a big club, as for the clubs policy, well the manager's ambition play a part as well if he really wants to win he would talk to the board, portray his vision and request investment and backing if necessary, he may even make sure he has this backing before taking the job.

Wenger is a sell-out, he wants to build a team on a budget and won't sign household names because it doesn't fit with his policy, he can't motivate, is poor tactically isn't a good coach and is totally inflexible when things don't work, he's also unable to separate himself from his relationship with his players and when required to criticise their performances (that's ignoring the fact all his substitutions seem to be dertermined before a match and don't appear to be reactive to the situation in front of him).....a new manager would no doubt not have these problems.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

I tend to agree it's much more to do with the man's tactics and lack of motivational skills than anything else.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The mantra for a long time was, 'we don't buy stars, we make them'.

For a long time, that held true - but not any more. And what few we do make, we sell, and now the vultures are circling. Walcott is going to United.

[gooners]

there are four trophies for top teams in england to compete for: PL,CL,FA,COC & 4th place trophy.

btw, the 4th place trophy trumps the COC & FA cups



you know, i started typing that in jest; but by the end of it i was tearing up! --- how low we have sunk for our manager to spout such horseshit

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsene Wenger has acknowledged he is the man responsible for Arsenal's direction as a club.

Arsenal's worst start to a season under Wenger has led to unprecedented criticism from a section of the club's support, though many continue to back a manager who has delivered UEFA Champions League qualification 15 years running.

Among the accusations levelled at Wenger is one that his decisions go unchallenged by anyone on the coaching staff or in the boardroom, and former Gunners midfielder Stewart Robson went as far as calling him "a dictator" in the wake of the Capital One Cup defeat at Bradford.

Speaking before that setback, the Frenchman told Four Four Two magazine he personally pushes the club's commitment to self-sustainability.He said: "I feel responsible for the evolution of the club. When you've been here for 16 years, you're part of the history and the guy who is responsible for the values that the club wants to show in all aspects of daily life.

"For example, if a manager changes every two years and the players stay for 10 years, the player will always have a greater influence.

"If a manager stays at a club for 15 years, he is a 'memory' of the club. It gives you a kind of authority, because people respect the way you behave and the way you do things.

"You can only be good in life if you do what you believe is right. We have always managed the club with its own resources, given a chance to young players and developed a style of play that we think is right."

Asked if he had felt under pressure at any time during his long reign, Wenger said: "I always feel under pressure to deliver, always. You can only be successful if you question yourself."

Arsenal are expected to make some moves in the new year, with another loan deal for former club captain Thierry Henry still on the agenda. The likes of Newcastle frontman Demba Ba, Schalke forward Klaas Jan Huntelaar, Athletic Bilbao striker Fernando Llorente and Crystal Palace's England international Wilfried Zaha are all said to be on Wenger's shopping list.Former Arsenal midfielder Ray Parlour, part of the squad which won three Premier League titles, has urged Wenger to jettison some of the deadwood in the current squad next month.

"This transfer window is going to be vital for Arsene Wenger," Parlour said on Sky Sports News.

"Everybody's saying there's £50million to spend, but I think he's also got to look at trying to get a few players out of the club as well - the likes of (Marouane) Chamakh and (Andrey) Arshavin, (Nicklas) Bendtner could be coming back, people like that, Denilson's on loan at the moment.

"All those sort of players - do they really want to play for Arsenal? That's the ones you have to really try to move on, and then buy a bit more quality."

Arsenal will also be without Gervinho at the start of 2013 when he represents the Ivory Coast at the African Nations Cup

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...responsibility

[Power n Glory]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...responsibility

What more can he say? No agenda is being forced upon him as suspected.

NQ - this is the reason why the focus is on Wenger right now.

[Kano]

A new manager will create a team in his image, hopefully using good tactics and ability to motivate and some good coaching. In addition any new manager would get money to invest, that's always the way at a big club, as for the clubs policy, well the manager's ambition play a part as well if he really wants to win he would talk to the board, portray his vision and request investment and backing if necessary, he may even make sure he has this backing before taking the job.

Wenger is a sell-out, he wants to build a team on a budget and won't sign household names because it doesn't fit with his policy, he can't motivate, is poor tactically isn't a good coach and is totally inflexible when things don't work, he's also unable to separate himself from his relationship with his players and when required to criticise their performances (that's ignoring the fact all his substitutions seem to be dertermined before a match and don't appear to be reactive to the situation in front of him).....a new manager would no doubt not have these problems.

the board will treat the new guy the same and perhaps plump for a guy that buys into it - especially if wenger moves upstairs which would be a disaster. if not, then the least i will hope for is that everything possible is being done with the team by the manager to get the maximum out of them. i think that is what most fans want as minimum. trophies and glory would be nice of course but its not the most important thing for me.

[Niall_Quinn]

the board will treat the new guy the same and perhaps plump for a guy that buys into it - especially if wenger moves upstairs which would be a disaster. if not, then the least i will hope for is that everything possible is being done with the team by the manager to get the maximum out of them. i think that is what most fans want as minimum. trophies and glory would be nice of course but its not the most important thing for me.

Agreed, Wenger moving upstairs would be a long term nail in the coffin. It's just a bit sad he has to be condemned for being (what's the word?) - moral - about things. He's right, football is crazy, the money is out of control. Unfortunately that's the way it works now, at least until the whole game crashes and burns. And I guess we don't know the half of it (or a tenth), what really goes on with all the grubby cash changing hands behind the scenes. Agents snagged £77mill last year, or something like that I think. It's foul but it's also normal and Wenger is not a normal guy.

It's also true that a lot of fans are aiming for the absolute minimum. It's such a catch 22. If a manger did come in and set the likes of Gervinho and Ramsey on fire, either literally (which is fine) or in terms of dramatically improved performances through tactical and positional changes - they'd be sold so the manage could bring in more shit and mould it into an asset. I really don't think the majority of fans have quite grasped our situation. Any manager increasing the vibrancy and making the blood flow through this team again is just going to see it sucked away. This loss to Bradford is certainly partly down to Wenger and partly down to the players, but there has been a perpetual chipping away by the guys at the top to get us to this lowly position.

Arsenal won't be competing at the top for years to come. And even then, if our game plan does work out and our frugal policies mean we rule the roost, doesn't it also mean a hell of a lot of clubs will have collapsed or be unsustainable? We could be masters in a league of one.

[Özim]

the board will treat the new guy the same and perhaps plump for a guy that buys into it - especially if wenger moves upstairs which would be a disaster. if not, then the least i will hope for is that everything possible is being done with the team by the manager to get the maximum out of them. i think that is what most fans want as minimum. trophies and glory would be nice of course but its not the most important thing for me.

I can't see us getting a manager who is basically happy to achieve 4th every season unless we end up with an Avram Grant who let's face it noone would want here. We're a big club and a manager who comes to manage us would I'm sure like to leave his stamp and succeed, I would at least hope that he'd improve things via tactics, motivation, coaching and perhaps signing the correct players.

I'm not for Wenger moving upstairs as I feel a new manager should be allowed to get on with his job without Wenger's shadow cast upon him.