What is stalling Theo??

[Syn]

No he isn't. Jack hasn't played enough games, scored enough goals, lead the team and pulled us through tough tiimes to earn around that amount. He's a talent and one for the future puts in a shift every game but in no way is in such a different bracket, especially now after coming back from his injury. He's droppable for Rosicky right now. If we're going to talk about performance related wages then Jack isn't there at all. Doesn't score enough, set up enough goals and isn't keeping the team ticking over with his passing. In a season or two, no doubt he'd be worth the £85k but that's potenetial and not performance.

Utter rubbish. Goals and assists is the only contribution simpletons seem to be able to refer to. I'm above this anyway.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

the only qualm i have with jack is his lack of bottle in front of goal.

always looking for the sublime assist in the penalty area when he can just lace into the back of the net. he can easily get 10 goals a season and it grinds me everytime he looks for a needle in the haystack because usually it doesnt come off.

but apart from that he's worth the hype. as i said, these english players demand a premium because of supply and demand. jack could easily get 80k a week elsewhere so he should be on that here.

there's no good bashing the club over british players because they are a niche market. a rare instance. if anything have qualms over shocking signings like squillaci, park, chamakh and santos. none were young when they came here so there are no excuses for them turning out crap. isnt our scouting system supposed to be one of the best? how the heck have we managed to rack up an accumulation of tosh like that in the space of a few years?? overaged, overhyped beamers who erode our already unstable wage bill. you'd think after the first few the scouts would have taken extra care but the conveyor belt of garbage just continued.

there's something seriously wrong at this club from physio's to board, to wage bill to management decisions.

[Power n Glory]

Utter rubbish. Goals and assists is the only contribution simpletons seem to be able to refer to. I'm above this anyway.

Don't wum cause it's not your style.

So after one season we're saying JW has earned to earn around the same amount it took players like Henry, RVP, Cesc some years to get to? It's not just goals and assists, if he could keep our play flowing like how Cesc could when he was much younger than Jack then I'd see your point. He's looking lost in the middle right now and hasn't controlled the tempo of a game.

Time will tell because he's coming back from injury but it's flawed to talk about consistency and top level performances when he's only played one full season for us and hasn't performed anywhere near the level of Cesc.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Don't wum cause it's not your style.

So after one season we're saying JW has earned to earn around the same amount it took players like Henry, RVP, Cesc some years to get to? It's not just goals and assists, if he could keep our play flowing like how Cesc could when he was much younger than Jack then I'd see your point. He's looking lost in the middle right now and hasn't controlled the tempo of a game.

Time will tell because he's coming back from injury but it's flawed to talk about consistency and top level performances when he's only played one full season for us and hasn't performed anywhere near the level of Cesc.

but you cant go comparing 10 years ago to now. football has changed and evolved. i agree that it is absolutely ridiculous football has ended up like this, but people cant berate the board for being backwards then on the other hand have a go at them for offering english talent like wilshere top money. its the going rate because as i said, he can get it elsewhere.

modern football is a load of shit.

[Syn]

Don't wum cause it's not your style.

Im not wumming. If people cant think, it annoys me. Unless of course they are that stupid so forgive me if I've given you undue benefit of doubt.

So after one season we're saying JW has earned to earn around the same amount it took players like Henry, RVP, Cesc some years to get to? It's not just goals and assists, if he could keep our play flowing like how Cesc could when he was much younger than Jack then I'd see your point. He's looking lost in the middle right now and hasn't controlled the tempo of a game.

Think. The market is not what it was even 5 years ago. This is about Theo in comparison to Jack. And there is no comparison really. You would need eyes and a bit of a brain to know this.

Time will tell because he's coming back from injury but it's flawed to talk about consistency and top level performances when he's only played one full season for us and hasn't performed anywhere near the level of Cesc.

You pay players on the basis of what they will do, not what they have. You look at the past and you see Jack was phenomenal in his debut season being the stand out players among stars in the Arsenal-Barca games. You note it wasn't an anomaly. You then see if he will fully recover from his injury. He looks sharper by the game and he's playing consistently well in the same manor he did. Players that have his ability don't fuck about with the basics and Jack is not. He's worth every penny.

[Power n Glory]

Im not wumming. If people cant think, it annoys me. Unless of course they are that stupid so forgive me if I've given you undue benefit of doubt.



Think. The market is not what it was even 5 years ago. This is about Theo in comparison to Jack. And there is no comparison really. You would need eyes and a bit of a brain to know this.




You pay players on the basis of what they will do, not what they have. You look at the past and you see Jack was phenomenal in his debut season being the stand out players among stars in the Arsenal-Barca games. You note it wasn't an anomaly. You then see if he will fully recover from his injury. He looks sharper by the game and he's playing consistently well in the same manor he did. Players that have his ability don't fuck about with the basics and Jack is not. He's worth every penny.

Syn…you’re acting like an idiot. You’re usually level headed and there is no need to adopt that tone with me. Keep it cool without the insults and listen to my argument.

There is no dispute about Wilshere’s talent but if people are going to talk about consistency and performances related to pay, then Jack hasn’t earned that £85k simply because he hasn’t been in this squad long enough or played consistently as the top player that drags the team with him when everyone is slacking. That doesn’t mean he can’t do it. But it’s idiotic for anyone to look at Theo and ask what’s he done over then look at Jack and say it’s justified. He’s only played one full season for goodness sake. It’s flawed logic.

If we’re saying JW should earn as much as all the other important first teamers, that’s another issue and fair enough. If all the first team players around that mark, then fair play, but you can’t argue he’s earned it through performances in such a short space of time. Even with Cesc, he wasn’t earning next to the same amount as Henry after a couple of seasons, it doesn’t matter about the going rate at that time he wasn’t propelled to the top that quickly. But at the end of the day, the value of the player doesn’t really matter as long as they’re playing for us. It shouldn’t be an issue for fans.

[Syn]

Syn…you’re acting like an idiot. You’re usually level headed and there is no need to adopt that tone with me. Keep it cool without the insults and listen to my argument.

There is no dispute about Wilshere’s talent but if people are going to talk about consistency and performances related to pay, then Jack hasn’t earned that £85k simply because he hasn’t been in this squad long enough or played consistently as the top player that drags the team with him when everyone is slacking. That doesn’t mean he can’t do it. But it’s idiotic for anyone to look at Theo and ask what’s he done over then look at Jack and say it’s justified. He’s only played one full season for goodness sake. It’s flawed logic.

If we’re saying JW should earn as much as all the other important first teamers, that’s another issue and fair enough. If all the first team players around that mark, then fair play, but you can’t argue he’s earned it through performances in such a short space of time. Even with Cesc, he wasn’t earning next to the same amount as Henry after a couple of seasons, it doesn’t matter about the going rate at that time he wasn’t propelled to the top that quickly. But at the end of the day, the value of the player doesn’t really matter as long as they’re playing for us. It shouldn’t be an issue for fans.

You've turned it around entirely. Read back. The discussion was about you using Wilshere and his contract to suggest Theo deserves equal or more. There's a clear difference in saying 'if Jack deserves that, so does Theo' and 'if theo deserves that, so does jack'. And you recognise that through taking logic 101. Your argument is bullshit because, quite simply, Wilshere is the far superior footballer who puts in better performances consistently. And that's all that matters. Also, I'm never an idiot, I'm just a dick to those being idiotic.

[Power n Glory]

You've turned it around entirely. Read back. The discussion was about you using Wilshere and his contract to suggest Theo deserves equal or more. There's a clear difference in saying 'if Jack deserves that, so does Theo' and 'if theo deserves that, so does jack'. And you recognise that through taking logic 101. Your argument is bullshit because, quite simply, Wilshere is the far superior footballer who puts in better performances consistently. And that's all that matters. Also, I'm never an idiot, I'm just a dick to those being idiotic.

Go back and check the argument because you just jumped the gun and got all hot headed. Jack hasn't contributed more than Theo and that was where I started at so it's nuts for anyone to talk about Theo's performances as if he's contributed less. I haven't flipped anything and again, calm yourself down and stop acting all sensitive.

[Joker]

I don't think we can say that Wilshere puts in better performances consistently. He played almost all of 10-11 and was understandably inconsistent given that it was his first season at the top. The fact that he put in some superb individual performances (Barca at home and the CC Final against Birmingham) has somewhat clouded the fact that there were quite a few games that season where he struggled to make a huge impact. That doesn't mean he didn't have a good season (indeed, he performed infinitely better than Theo did in his first full season at Arsenal) but he wasn't consistently 7-8/10. Then, he got injured and missed all of the next season and has only just returned this year, where again he's been very good some games, decent/off colour in others which is again understandable.

Earlier in thread it's been said that Wilshere is given £80K/week because of future potential, and I agree with that (same with Theo, even if you think Wilshere will be the better footballer Theo's past productivity and progression suggests he'll continue to be a very important source of goals/assists for us). However, if the argument is that Wilshere deserves more because he has played better than Walcott on a consistent basis so far at Arsenal, IMO that doesn't ring true at all. Over the last 2 seasons Walcott has been one of the most consistent performers at the club.