I agree with all that. And re the debate over whether Wenger is to blame - in the unlikely event that he has been coerced by the board into selling his best pleyers year on year then I still blame him because simply putting up with something that is hurting the club demonstrates collusion in what is going on.Originally Posted by selassie
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat in terms of my thinking. However, when I look deeper what do I see? Not a club that's floundering because we've hit on hard times in terms of finances or support or any other factor. In fact we're earning more than ever before, listening to boasts about being in the top ten financial football powerhouses on the planet. We're not short of a player or two on fancy wages. The bods at the top don't do so bad when it comes to pay day - especially the big days where half a billion changes hands. It's not all bad news. Not bad for the owners, the executives, the manager, the players. In fact life just keeps getting better and better for those guys. Arsenal is firing on all cylinders for the main party goers. It's just they don't want to dance with the ones who brung 'em, not any more anyway. It would be easier supporting a small club with no hope. It's harder work supporting a big club with no hope, especially when you know it has been engineered that way.
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Agree with everything apart from the bit in bold. I think we've got a pretty decent chance of a top 4 finish because it's the only thing the players, manager and board care about. Or rather, it's the top priority all round. Anything else is a nice to have.
These things happen. Terrible result but we weren't going to win the FA Cup anyway so who cares??!!
Moyes is touted as the next Man U or Chelsea manager but his team couldn't even beat Oldham and are shittier than us in the league.
Brenton Rodgers and AVB are supposedly bright young things re-inventing the way football is played but they went out of both cups sooner than us.
Wenger is an excellent manager who is having to deal with a severe decline in the quality of player in his team. Sure, he bought them I hear you say but trying to run Arsenal at a profit when none of the other top 6 teams are doing so leaves him with an impossible task of trying to build a winning team. It's impossible.
I'm not really bothered if Wenger stays or goes but some of you are in for a shock when the same shite happens under a new manager. Nothing will change until the board goes.
The problem with Wenger is that he's not even fighting the Board and sanctions the sale of our players. It may be bad when he's gone but I at least want a manager in that will fight for football and the right agenda.
Grebbo, whilst I admire your defence of Arsene unless you have solid facts to back up that Arsene is handicapped by funds a lot of what you say is just opinion.
Moreover, why should we compare ourselves to Everton or Liverpool? We should be comparing ourselves to the best, we have a state of the art stadium, state of the art training facilities, generate millions of pounds every year, have a healthy balance sheet (so we are told), we are in the top 10 in terms of wealth of clubs in Europe.
So tell me this, given the above information, why should we settle for second best? The whole point of moving to a new stadium was to compete with the best, to attract the best players, to turn the club into a European super power both on and off the field.
I can accept that we had to endure a period where investment in the team is minimal and team performance would most likely suffer which it has, but why is it still going on? I really don't understand why we're in a position where we have to gut the team of it's best players every single year without replacing these players adequately.
In my opinion Wenger was an excellent manager but I feel he has lost his way, his methods are outdated and he's unable to manage or develop a winning team. I mean it's not even like we're losing to the likes of Man United or Man City in these cup competitions, we're going out to the Bradford's and Blackburn's of this world. It's totally unacceptable IMHO.
Wenger is totally in tune with the board in selling our best players. He is the one who went to the board and told them to lower the asking price for Cesc after all and if he's the one Ferguson phoned to get RVP who if reports are true was having a change of heart after seeing Podolski and Cazorla join but Wenger told him to go.
Board aren't innocent but Wenger is our biggest problem
I expected us to win but I'm not surprised we lost, it's no longer a surprise to see us lose.
i get the board argument but how can you explain this:
over the past 2 seasons we have seen:
1. players being played out of position (santos, ramsey, djourou)
2. no organisation
3. no desire or determination. a lack of motivation from players
4. awful signings
5. no tactics being employed towards opposition
if a manager came in and addressed these issues, which all fall under the responsibility of the mananger not the board, how would we not improve as a team? i know it sounds basic but its true. a man with half a brain cell would see that the basics are being ignored and would try to correct them.
the problem with wenger is that he's way too stubborn. he put together the invincibles, the best attacking team this country has ever seen, so who are the media to tell him what to do, or the fans, or even fergie?
and for someone who's supposed to be working in a self-sustainable model, his choice of signings have been woeful. thats probably my biggest problem with him. rule number 1 on a tight budget: dont waste money. what have we done? wasted bucket loads.
Wenget got little bit stroppy in the pre-Bayern conference.
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