This "Wenger doesn't know how to motivate players" bullshit is bullshit.

[Xhaka Can’t]

There you go again, sniping away.

It was a simple 'What the heck happened to Ox' statement. I've answered your questions and linked it back to the original argument now move and stop bitching because this isn't a Theo vs Ox discussion.

And I think it is a bit rich of you - just like it is a bit rich of you to ask anybody to stay on any given topic.

The only substantive answer in this exchange was when I answered you in relation to what is going wrong with AOC. I agree he is disappointing this season, but there are many reasons for this. The principle one as I see it is the environment he is in, at the age he is, having been found out and with no one who provides the motivation he or this team needs to suceed.

As things stand, I don't see how he can develop. I have no Theo v Ox agenda, I just find it strange that someone who has been an agressive Theo advocate, lacks such conviction when it comes to another player who is going through a similar situation in a much much harsher environment.

[AKBapologist]

On the one hand any Theo advocate would be smart enough not to make the dumb suggestions that oxlaide would *overtake* theo next season because theo stalled under wenger... on the other hand, well there isnt one really. This Wenger cant develop players bullshit is just born out of the laser focus we have on players far from their prime. Oxlaide is about 10 years from really becoming the best he can be, chill the fuck out.

[Power n Glory]

On the one hand any Theo advocate would be smart enough not to make the dumb suggestions that oxlaide would *overtake* theo next season because theo stalled under wenger... on the other hand, well there isnt one really. This Wenger cant develop players bullshit is just born out of the laser focus we have on players far from their prime. Oxlaide is about 10 years from really becoming the best he can be, chill the fuck out.

I'm really not sure about that anymore - that part about Wenger developing players. It used to be a given that a player would get better under Wenger. We all refer back to Henry and Pires needing a season to adapt as proof that players need time to adapt to the league and so forth. But that's not ringing true these days. Besides Ox and Chesney, young players who have plenty of time mind you, we have examples like Chamakh, Gervinho, Vermaelen, Arshavin...some players are getting worse and being thrown on the rubbish tip early. It's really hard to call these days and I'm not as quick to praise Wenger's development skills these days. It's not given that these signings will blossom and I used to be confident that he'd get the best out of players years back. Can't say the same now. But is that to do with the quality of players?

[Xhaka Can’t]

The development of players in the past had to have been both to do with Wenger and the environment provided by the quality of the players and the experience they had to share. The latter element is now pretty much gone. A young player at Arsenal will now need to be exceptionally strong mentally to make full use of his potential unless we buy in the quality and experience we currently lack.

[Power n Glory]

And I think it is a bit rich of you - just like it is a bit rich of you to ask anybody to stay on any given topic.

The only substantive answer in this exchange was when I answered you in relation to what is going wrong with AOC. I agree he is disappointing this season, but there are many reasons for this. The principle one as I see it is the environment he is in, at the age he is, having been found out and with no one who provides the motivation he or this team needs to suceed.

As things stand, I don't see how he can develop. I have no Theo v Ox agenda, I just find it strange that someone who has been an agressive Theo advocate, lacks such conviction when it comes to another player who is going through a similar situation in a much much harsher environment.

Dude, how can you think a simple 'what the heck has happened to Ox' comment is 'a bit rich' when you put it in context of SWAYR post?

You've answered what you think went wrong and I agree with some points because it was a similar experience for Theo. You could have answered the original post with an explanation without the sniping and wumming. It would have been a better conversation if we're talking about player development and confidence instead of bitching.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Dude, how can you think a simple 'what the heck has happened to Ox' comment is 'a bit rich' when you put it in context of SWAYR post?

You've answered what you think went wrong and I agree with some points because it was a similar experience for Theo. You could have answered the original post with an explanation without the sniping and wumming. It would have been a better conversation if we're talking about player development and confidence instead of bitching.

Nah, you made the defensive jibe when I wasn't being matter of fact.

I made more than one point on Ox, you've picked up on the one point that you originally misunderstood and decided to run with that ignoring the other theories. I think it is a combination of my original points, but you cannot deny that Theo was learning in a much more favourable environment than Ox.

See?

I believe you have been an agressive advocate of Walcott, yet here is a 19 year old in an utterly toxic environment and I find it strange that such a staunch advocate of someone with similar predicaments in what was an easier environment could struggle to think what has happened to AOC.