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    Whilst Stewart Robson was busy telling France Football all the things he usually tells everyone about Arsene Wenger, a few pages later there was another former Arsenal player sharing his feelings about the Frenchman. It was the same magazine and the same lengthy feature on Arsenal's struggles and Wenger's part in them, but what Smith said and particularly the sentiment, couldn't have been further away from Robson's Rants even if it had been planned as such.

    Alan Smith had a successful trophy-laden career with the London club and obviously has a fondness for all that's associated with it, and therefore a respect for Arsene Wenger. Whilst Smith doesn't put his fingers in his ears regarding the problems at Arsenal, he doesn't seem to come from an agenda.

    So many opinions related to Arsenal and Wenger are now firmly rooted in one camp or the other. It's either 'Wenger In' or 'Wenger Out' and near enough everything said by those so entrenched in either is molded to fit. Former players, pundits, journalists, Arsenal personalities and blogs - there are many so far down their own particular tunnel that they can't see anything else other than the light at the end they are striving for.

    To give Alan Smith credit, he's not one of those and can see a more rounded situation. He told France Football:

    'Arsene Wenger is still the greatest manager in the club's history. Nobody wants his Arsenal career to end this way. It will be interesting to see what he does this summer regarding investment [in new players]. He needs to improve the quality of the workforce. The question is: 'Will he and the club be able to attract players who will?' Are his scouts as competitive as they once were? Has he the right people around him?

    And there are signs that suggest this is not necessarily the case. Americans work at Arsenal, and I'm not sure they are really as critical as they should be. It must change. What must also change, it is the way he [Wenger] works daily at the training center. There is not a coach in the strictest sense, but he has always been surrounded by players who can take their cues by themselves, as Ashley Cole and Sol Campbell did, world-class players.

    The quality of the workforce is no longer the same, largely due to economic reasons. He had to let go of players like Fabregas and Van Persie. I do not see how he could keep them, because these players are primarily motivated by their ambition to win titles. Van Persie was not at a club who could offer this possibility. And Wenger has not been able to replace these players.

    He found himself in a situation where he was forced to defend the position of [the owners]. Eight years without a trophy is a long time. And these fans have seen their team change its nature during this time. Players have become more fragile, a characteristic more associated to being usual with Spurs!'

    Whilst the Tottenham comment is funny, there may be some truth in it. Whereas Arsenal have tended to have hugely competitive players in recent history, they are losing that now. There's not the aggressive and over the top hunger which Wenger enjoyed in his early squads.

    Smith says that Wenger's Arsenal career is now being divided into two stages, the first eight years and the second, with a distinct difference in the success of the two halves. The former striker remains polite about Wenger and obviously wants him to do well but his comments suggest he may feel now is the time for Wenger to go.

    "As the years pass, we start to doubt. I never stopped believing in Wenger, but he spent a lot of time at the head of one club, and there are not many managers who can maintain their edge that long. There is only one [Alex Ferguson], and he is an exception."

    Whilst Arsenal were for so long the London team associated with success, Smith and Wenger wouldn't them taking on some of the characteristics shown by Tottenham so far this season.
    http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/t...-like-tottenha

    spot on from smudger.

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    Yep. Someone worth listening to rather than the prattle that usually gets posted on this thread.

    Mind you. It's a round about way of saying what we all know. The quality of the side has slipped, and the consequence is that we're not as good as we once were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Yep. Someone worth listening to rather than the prattle that usually gets posted on this thread.

    Mind you. It's a round about way of saying what we all know. The quality of the side has slipped, and the consequence is that we're not as good as we once were.
    it's nice to have a real gooner point of view about a return to basics expressed in the press, as usually you just hear 'well they balance the books and the fans want to spend billions..' so all other fans seem to think is that we should be eternally grateful for everything under wenger and never let him go because none of this is his fault.

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    Yeah, that get's me too.

    Wenger's not stupid enough to believe that the fans want him to spend billions on Messi, but he uses that message the media and some of the more idiotic pundits give out, in order to carry on doing what he wants.

    At some point, it would be nice if somebody actually put the fuckers on the spot with a dose of reality.

    I wonder what the AST will be saying at the next get together....whilst I'm all for their highbrow/professional approach, it would be nice if they could use their influence a bit better this time. A louder voice is needed.
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    It seems you're expecting journalists to be crusading and inquisitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Splinter View Post
    It seems you're expecting journalists to be crusading and inquisitive.
    I'm not expecting journo's to be anything other than utter filth.

    Be nice if somebody used their influence with the media a bit better though. There are plenty of sesnsible gooners out there who could make a bit of difference, but there are too many sitting on the fence, and too many Piers Morgan's out there, who know pittifully nothing about our current predicament.
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    If you asked WUMger about why he has unceremoniously dropped Podolski or why Walcott was allowed a free role against top opposition even though attacking fullbacks in his most influential position in those games would have been eminently sensible or why he refuses to give Rosicky a game or why he doesn't even minutely adjust a consistently losing formula despite even his stat machines telling him he's doing it wrong, you'd get another Wenget 'breakdown' to obfuscate the situation.

    Even with the inevitable non-answer, it would be nice if at least one person asked something attaining to be worthwhile for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Splinter View Post
    If you asked WUMger about why he has unceremoniously dropped Podolski or why Walcott was allowed a free role against top opposition even though attacking fullbacks in his most influential position in those games would have been eminently sensible or why he refuses to give Rosicky a game or why he doesn't even minutely adjust a consistently losing formula despite even his stat machines telling him he's doing it wrong, you'd get another Wenget 'breakdown' to obfuscate the situation.

    Even with the inevitable non-answer, it would be nice if at least one person asked something attaining to be worthwhile for once.
    He'll give the typical 'you're are all experts' speech. I don't think there is anyone that could ask him that without him taking offense.

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    Why doesn't someone just come out and ask the bloody obvious?

    Why is Gazidis such a fucking ****?

    I can't ever recall that being asked at a press conference. It's ridiculous how everyone in the media is skirting around this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    This line from Smudger best sums up my feelings:

    Arsene Wenger is still the greatest manager in the club's history. Nobody wants his Arsenal career to end this way.
    And, while not a direct quote, I also agree with this sentiment.

    The former striker remains polite about Wenger and obviously wants him to do well but his comments suggest he may feel now is the time for Wenger to go.
    Good read - thanks for that.

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