Wojciech Szczesny

[IBK]

Think it's unfair to say he would've ruined him.

Wasn't Szdndanay making it clear he wasn't happy when he wasn't getting games two seasons ago? Wenger does the right thing in dropping him when his form goes, even if it risks re-upsetting the player (probably had to wait until Fabianski wasn't injured) though and apparently he's the big bad man out to destroy careers. And this can't be about scapegoats or just targeting one player for our failings because Vermaelen has been dropped at the same time.

You do allude to it however, this is going to be just like Bendtner, with a family member sounding off at Wenger.

I think you misunderstand, mate. The 'ruination' would be if Szczęsny ends up tossed out because of the culmination of all this. As I say - I think he has suffered from a combination of our kamikazee approach to defending, combined with a lack of competition. IMO it would have beensensible to plan better to Szczęsny being a future top class No. 1 by signing an experienced pro coming to the end of his time, for the lad to learn from. I think its unfair to expect a keeper as young as Szczęsny who has had noone decent to learn from since he arrived at the club - to have the wherewithal to improve as he should do - whatever his talent. Reliance on him (and you may be right that Flappy's injury hasn't helped) without competition or GK leadership has led to his current bad form, IMO. It is also not recent, but has been a decline over time (Euro's anyone?). However if Flappy has found new drive and stays and Wenger does not behave true to form, then maybe the situation can be retrieved.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think you misunderstand, mate. The 'ruination' would be if Szczęsny ends up tossed out because of the culmination of all this. As I say - I think he has suffered from a combination of our kamikazee approach to defending, combined with a lack of competition. IMO it would have beensensible to plan better to Szczęsny being a future top class No. 1 by signing an experienced pro coming to the end of his time, for the lad to learn from. I think its unfair to expect a keeper as young as Szczęsny who has had noone decent to learn from since he arrived at the club - to have the wherewithal to improve as he should do - whatever his talent. Reliance on him (and you may be right that Flappy's injury hasn't helped) without competition or GK leadership has led to his current bad form, IMO. It is also not recent, but has been a decline over time (Euro's anyone?). However if Flappy has found new drive and stays and Wenger does not behave true to form, then maybe the situation can be retrieved.

He wouldn't be ruined at all by Wenger's hand. If he can't handle being taking out of the firing line, for what might be the short term (or might not be now his father has spoken out) perhaps he shouldn't be at the top level of football. If he can't abide not playing then having another keeper, rated higher than him at the club isn't or wasn't going to make a difference. He or his father would've voiced his disapproval again internally or externally and just end up instigating the same circumstance you think he is in now!

What you seem to be extrapolating from this is that Wenger has decided that he is no good to Arsenal despite him doing something which he is oft complained of not doing - dropping those players that are not playing well.

There is no unfairness here at all, I'm confused as to what you think Wenger should do. Keep playing him in the meantime whilst you admit he has no-one to learn from ie no prospect of improving and thus get more weight behind focusing him as a weakness? Wouldn't that be more irresponsible to his career than not playing him for what so far has been a grand total of two games?

Wenger hasn't come out and said about Ches like Mancini did about Nasri that he is playing at about 50% of his level, he's protected him in the media like he does for most of his players. If anybody goes on to ruin his career, it'll be his father - if he speaks out every time in his career his son isn't playing.

[Power n Glory]

Why didn't Wenger just say Chesney was 'injured' like he did with Almunia and Lehman if he wanted to protect him from criticism? Dropping him and making those comments about his mental states has thrust Chesney under the spotlight and now the media smell blood. I can agree with what his Dad has said because he looks like the scapegoat now when Wenger would usually be more sensitive about such matters. I won’t knock him for it though because some players need a wake up call and we sugar coat too much when it comes to these matters. What really worries me is the way Chesney has played through injury and the missed training sessions. It explains why we have such a horrific injury record. We’ve seen Wilshere overplayed and rushed back from injury, Cesc, Diaby, Van Persie…when he’s desperate he gambles on players fitness and that’s not right.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He added: "He has played many games since the start of the season and recently I felt that mentally it affected him. That is why I have rested him".

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-8531860.html

That is what Wenger said. Would (or rather, should) that really be problematic to any player hearing that? I don't feel that's particularly scathing nor does it reflect badly on him as a player at all - if anything it shows contrition on Wenger's part by emphatically stating he has played a lot of games (because that was Wenger's choice).

The media smell blood regardless - they did it for when as you mention Almunia and Lehmann were 'injured' too. It's just what they do.

I don't envy managers on this really. If they don't play players when the players themselves think they are ok to do so, they complain, sometimes vociferously (even when a manager would rather they did not play). I think this is something that's going to be the case with Wilshere throughout his career combined with the 100mph take on all players way he plays.

[Power n Glory]

On injury they can specualte but it's different from Almunia and Lehman because they had countless blunders under their belt and people kept saying we need a new keeper but that hasn't been the case this time. Saying he's effected 'mentally' is a polite way of saying his form has dropped and no longer confident which leads on to a subject already discussed on here about players losing confidence quickly under Wenger.

But if this will help the team then whatever. I have no problem with it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It hasn't been said this time because he is much younger and as a goalkeeper, has a long time ahead of him but with Lehmann and Almunia it was still speculation about problems at Arsenal.

Things like this for young keepers happen, Ferguson elected to play Lindegaard for a few games instead of De Gea before going back to how it was before.

And yeah it was a polite of way phrasing it of course, hence why I said it was protecting him. It's getting to the point where I would rather he was just brutally honest - being the nice man father figure hasn't really achieved anything for him.

[Power n Glory]

I guess so but I can understand why the father isn’t happy with Wenger’s statement having re-read it. If Chesney has mentally been affected by the amount of games he’s played then it’s down to Wenger playing him through injury and without proper training. A bit of a mismanagement. But what’s done is done. Chesney can bounce back.

[GP]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...esny-statement

lol

[Özim]

Looks like a statement written by the club to make things appear all rosy as they like us all to believe.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah, the kid will be fine!