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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    It was pretty stupid of the club to believe that we could go on coming 4th every season without any repercussions, players know we're not that interested in competing now, it's pretty obvious so they're either not interested or if there's no better offer just a stepping stone.

    As for the marketing side, big brands want to be associated with success, it's what makes more people buy the products and allows them to show they are the best...if you're not winning and don't at least have top stars people associate with then you're not desirable.

    We've screwed ourselves over big time in our hunt for massive profits without success.
    Well, if they don't get the deals they seek on the corporate side, don't have the players to sell to make the extra profit, they're gonna have to do something.

    Heaven forbid they start concentrating on what makes them money in the first place.....football

    If they don't then they're fucking stupid!
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Well, if they don't get the deals they seek on the corporate side, don't have the players to sell to make the extra profit, they're gonna have to do something.

    Heaven forbid they start concentrating on what makes them money in the first place.....football

    If they don't then they're fucking stupid!
    It's catch 22 though, once you get into this kind of cycle it's hard to get out of it, not being a desirable location for players is restrictive, it's much harder to bring in those players who are going to make a difference...throw into that the fact we're not really willing to break the bank and you can see the problem.

    We were in a very good position we could have taken advantage of for so long, the bubble is now starting to burst as we've let this drag on for too long, once you fall away it's very hard to get up there and compete unless you spend big money...and without the big marketing money we won't be able to afford to spend big.

    It then becomes a question of throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk, which isn't something I can see the board doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    It's catch 22 though, once you get into this kind of cycle it's hard to get out of it, not being a desirable location for players is restrictive, it's much harder to bring in those players who are going to make a difference...throw into that the fact we're not really willing to break the bank and you can see the problem.

    We were in a very good position we could have taken advantage of for so long, the bubble is now starting to burst as we've let this drag on for too long, once you fall away it's very hard to get up there and compete unless you spend big money...and without the big marketing money we won't be able to afford to spend big.

    It then becomes a question of throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk, which isn't something I can see the board doing.
    It is a desirable location for many players. Not the top top earners maybe, but then we've never been able to compete with that anyway. We're not bankrolled by a royal family, a government, a billionnaire, or FIFA. When you strip it down, we're well run business, as we've always been.

    What we haven't done, is maximise our potential. We've tried to do everything on the cheap, and with too little care and attention.

    We can still attract very good players, and as shown at Utd, a few decent players, a couple of very good players, and a couple of world class players is all you need.

    Our wage structure can cope with that easily (see our wage bill vs theirs). We also have the money to buy players.

    All that is needed is for the club to come out of it's corporate fat cat den, and show everyone that they're prepared to put football first. One big name signing, and a couple of quality purchases is all that is needed. They won't do it of course....which is what makes them stupid.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Yeah I'm not sure,we're seeing a lot more players shunning us now than before, I think people have woken up and smelt the coffee. If we're competing against other big clubs we've got no chance IMO, which leaves us trying to sign players who aren't so high profile which is probably not what we need.

    We need world class players now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal View Post
    Even massive shit don't fancy a return to us.

    This club needs a serious over-haul/rebranding/re-imaging.

    Our lack of desire/ambition to win trophies/titles, or at the very least be competitive, is slowly but surely becoming detrimental.

    Stink allegations already permeate the air of top sponsors distancing themselves from us....

    Players being warned not to join us...

    Reports of the Club having to take unprecendented steps as a means of coercing fans to renew ST's....

    The list goes on...

    Writing is on the wall for sure.
    of course he doesn't want to come back - he never played a game for us. so why would he? 62 appearances in 7 seasons.

    one player advises another not to join on the premise that their shithouse club is better than ours. seeing how inter were raped by spurs at home, it's hard to swallow.

    oh and the rumour about sponsors? it's amazing how easy it is to turn bad news rumour into solid fact when it justifies turning on the club, yet laugh at rumoured good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    It is a desirable location for many players. Not the top top earners maybe, but then we've never been able to compete with that anyway. We're not bankrolled by a royal family, a government, a billionnaire, or FIFA. When you strip it down, we're well run business, as we've always been.

    What we haven't done, is maximise our potential. We've tried to do everything on the cheap, and with too little care and attention.

    We can still attract very good players, and as shown at Utd, a few decent players, a couple of very good players, and a couple of world class players is all you need.

    Our wage structure can cope with that easily (see our wage bill vs theirs). We also have the money to buy players.

    All that is needed is for the club to come out of it's corporate fat cat den, and show everyone that they're prepared to put football first. One big name signing, and a couple of quality purchases is all that is needed. They won't do it of course....which is what makes them stupid.
    I like this post, but I think the "well run business" is a bit of an overstatement.

    This as the bulk of our profit was realised via major asset stripping of our quality players season on season - which is now in return putting us in a disadvantageous setting - and was never realised off actual on field success and proper marketing.

    That mask is slowly coming off now, as we really have no top, top talent (by way of early poach and development) to sell now. Neither can we seemingly attract said top, top quality because they want to be somewhere where they are not only paid well, but feel they can add a few accolades to their relatively short careers.

    So much for our long term self sustaining model - appears pretty much short lived now, huh? It was a very lazy approach and a way to ensure quick turn around on investments.

    Bloody farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    of course he doesn't want to come back - he never played a game for us. so why would he? 62 appearances in 7 seasons.

    one player advises another not to join on the premise that their shithouse club is better than ours. seeing how inter were raped by spurs at home, it's hard to swallow.

    oh and the rumour about sponsors? it's amazing how easy it is to turn bad news rumour into solid fact when it justifies turning on the club, yet laugh at rumoured good news.
    Really don't know how the scum and Inter apply here.

    You can remain a humble sheep my friend. Believe me, you are not begrudged. Different folks will always see things differently.

    These fuckers that are running the club, will leave richer without a doubt, while the Club languish in mediocrity.

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    ie, italian sides in the top four are not that great, bar juventus and napoli. by your reckoning, tottenham are shit, so the comparison is clear.

    yes of course, we all know and we all moan about it. if you read the forum enough, which i'm sure you do, you'll see my opinion is not so different.

    it still doesn't mean everything little thing everywhere about everything ever is negative about arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    ie, italian sides in the top four are not that great, bar juventus and napoli. by your reckoning, tottenham are shit, so the comparison is clear.

    yes of course, we all know and we all moan about it. if you read the forum enough, which i'm sure you do, you'll see my opinion is not so different.

    it still doesn't mean everything little thing everywhere about everything ever is negative about arsenal.
    But somethings are as clear as daylight for the reckoning - like the general direction the Club is heading.

    All we get is one spiel after the other from club voices to justify the madness and placate us fans.

    Personally, the most I can do about it is have a moan ever so often when these negative shit that pop up ever so often cut me. I would like to ignore them, but I know that even if a story isn't particularly absolutely true or confirmed, it is likely born out of a reflection of our sorry state of affairs.

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    Arsenal and Liverpool are set to battle it out for the signature of Swansea City defender Ashley Williams, 28, in the summer.
    Full story: Daily Mail

    Arsenal's summer transfer plans include selling 25-year-old striker Gervinho to Turkish side Galatasaray for £12m and buying Liverpool's 30-year-old goalkeeper Jose Reina.
    Full story: Daily Mail
    Not sure about Williams. Better than Kos or Verm but most are

    Would love for this to be true

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