Yes I do.Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Showing ambition isn't flash in the pan success with no plan for success afterwards tbh.
Yes I do.
Showing ambition isn't flash in the pan success with no plan for success afterwards tbh.
I've not really been following this conversation but are you calling Wenger's 3 titles and 4 FA Cups over 7 seasons as 'flash in the pan' success?
If Dortmund can recover from this period and build another brilliant team then you know they mean business. All clubs go through this including the big ones.
Flash in the pan!
Just imagine you’re a young player at Borussia Dortmund, winner of the league for the past two seasons, runner up this time, in the semi’s of the cl, regarded as one of the best teams in Europe, one of the best stadiums in Europe, one of the most innovative training facilities in Europe, some of the best young talent pools in Europe and one of the most sought after managers in Europe.
So you’re involved in all this as a young player and thinking that this is not a club doing everything possible to be ‘ambitious’? If so, then agents have already got to you.
Ambition means to work hard toward a larger success. What part of that is not taking place here?
Last edited by Kano; 23-04-2013 at 01:15 PM.
Sadly, some can only correlate ambition with spending shitloads.
I wasn't even talking about Wenger
But certainly the last 7 years show a lack of ambition by the club.
I agree with this, it's sustaining success not building a team then seeing it being dismantled and going back to mediocrity.
If this club sells it's top players without replacing them adequately and goes backwards because it doesn't, then I guess the answer is no they aren't doing everything possible to be ambitious.
I can understand a team like Dortmund losing it's top players, it's not great for them but there's bigger clubs out there with greater history of success, Dortmund had a great team about 10 years ago as well and it hasn't really kicked on from there.
The clubs with real ambition try and achieve sustained success or at least try to for trophies year after year. In the real world a top player isn't going to want to stick around at a club he feels will sell off it's best players and pocket the cash, clubs like Bayern, Real, Barca, Man U, Chelsea, Man City (I know the latter two are bankrolled) etc will always attract top players because at the end of the day those players know they'll be chasing success (ok they'll get paid handsomely as well but that isn't the only criteria).
Last edited by Özim; 23-04-2013 at 02:19 PM.
none of that addresses what i've written at all.
gotze had a clause in his contract activated - they had no choice but to sell. Lewandowski is in the last year of his contract next season. if they attempted to replace players and failed to 'push on', why would that be categorised as 'lacking ambition'? if they just couldn't duplicate the success, or bayern swept everyone away for quite some time for example does that mean that only achieving success demonstrates ambition? you cannot be ambitious yet fail to succeed your goals? bit of a downer for anyone across the world hoping to achieve something in their life.
your definition of ambition is somewhat out of sync with the true meaning of the word.
Last edited by Kano; 23-04-2013 at 02:24 PM.
I think it's pretty clear if you're try to achieve success to be honest, generally clubs who give it a go are there or thereabouts, they don't languish in midtable and fail time after time.
The point isn't about the clause (though once again the clause is set when the contract is signed so is up for negotiation, so clearly that's the price they put on his head), it's about players wanting to stick around. Dortmund have are pretty good at the moment and have done well in the last few years, but as I've said before about 10 years ago it was a similar story and they eventually went backwards and really struggled.
As for being ambitious and failing, you could argue that's what happened to Liverpool, but eventually they ran out of money and stopped being as appealing to players, though they still manage to sign some decent players. Success is the marker at the end of the day.
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