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    Persie definitely dicked on us, there's no doubt about that. Showed no loyalty at all when we'd shown plenty to him.

    But that's football. He left for a bigger club. I'm sure Feyenoord fans felt exactly the same way when he left them for us.

    Players leave for the glory. The problem is Arsenal FC cannot offer ANY hope of glory to a player so we're left with buying also-rans like Giroud.

    We're on a downward spiral and will probably never recover. We are Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    He could have done but he probably didn't think Arsenal were very serious about trying to win trophies. It's certainly a secondary concern to keeping the money rolling in. We can all see that, the players must be able to as well. Most of our players aren't at the level where they'd be courted by a club like Utd. RvP clearly was, if he didn't think it was possible to win trophies at Arsenal because we're not serious about signing the level of players we need to push us on. Utd are. Loyalty is fine up to a point but there's no point being stupid about it. Forgetting who we support, in the same position most of us would have done the exact same thing. Maybe not in the exact same way.
    At least you talk sense . Most fans are blinded by emotion . They blame the Board or the Manager for refusing to strengthen and make the team competitive but when the players , who know better than us how the team is being run , react , the same fans blame the players more than the culprits who don't care about the fans .
    RVP was loyal and a great player for us but the team let him down . You can't be watching other people winning everything every day and accept it simply because your bosses don't want to win anything . I could have understood people anger towards Van Persie if Arsenal tried to win something . Our transfer policy is wrong and out of date . We are one of the worst in transfer policy . The likes of Swansea , QPR , ...are better than us in that respect .How can we expect to keep our star players ? Plus , our wages are just ridiculous . We pay more money to average and injury-prone players who can not help the team and refuse to give money to those who work hard for the team . We refused to add world class players to help RVP and our offer to him was around 130k per week . How could we have kept him ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    At least you talk sense . Most fans are blinded by emotion . They blame the Board or the Manager for refusing to strengthen and make the team competitive but when the players , who know better than us how the team is being run , react , the same fans blame the players more than the culprits who don't care about the fans .
    RVP was loyal and a great player for us but the team let him down . You can't be watching other people winning everything every day and accept it simply because your bosses don't want to win anything . I could have understood people anger towards Van Persie if Arsenal tried to win something . Our transfer policy is wrong and out of date . We are one of the worst in transfer policy . The likes of Swansea , QPR , ...are better than us in that respect .How can we expect to keep our star players ? Plus , our wages are just ridiculous . We pay more money to average and injury-prone players who can not help the team and refuse to give money to those who work hard for the team . We refused to add world class players to help RVP and our offer to him was around 130k per week . How could we have kept him ?
    I'm sorry but QPR??!! Are you nuts??

    We're shit at a lot of things but we're not worse at transfers than bloody QPR!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    I'm sorry but QPR??!! Are you nuts??

    We're shit at a lot of things but we're not worse at transfers than bloody QPR!!
    I fink 'Arrys dun a triffic job wiv them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    At least you talk sense . Most fans are blinded by emotion . They blame the Board or the Manager for refusing to strengthen and make the team competitive but when the players , who know better than us how the team is being run , react , the same fans blame the players more than the culprits who don't care about the fans .
    RVP was loyal and a great player for us but the team let him down . You can't be watching other people winning everything every day and accept it simply because your bosses don't want to win anything . I could have understood people anger towards Van Persie if Arsenal tried to win something . Our transfer policy is wrong and out of date . We are one of the worst in transfer policy . The likes of Swansea , QPR , ...are better than us in that respect .How can we expect to keep our star players ? Plus , our wages are just ridiculous . We pay more money to average and injury-prone players who can not help the team and refuse to give money to those who work hard for the team . We refused to add world class players to help RVP and our offer to him was around 130k per week . How could we have kept him ?


    That’s my point of view too. We’ll always cross this bridge if we continue to operate like this.

    The guard of honour is going to be a real moment for the team. Seeing their former captain beaming with happiness is going to fill them with envy and maybe spur (excuse me) them on to do better at Arsenal next season. But if it looks like we’re close to being out of the title race again before Christmas and the club and manager harp on about smart spending/super quality but sign no one, that initial drive and desire to win will turn to bitterness towards the club. I remember Wenger once saying something like ‘all players want new signings but when you ask who they want, don’t want anyone that plays in their position’. It’s very true but it came as side swipe to players publically saying we needed new blood. If he and the club want match your ‘sporting ambition’ then what next?

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    He was given a choice of more money, a longer contract and a better chance of success. If your motives are purely career driven, then I understand why he went.

    However, you can't do that AND claim "I will always be a gooner" and all the other bollocks he spouted on leaving. He left a club who had supported him through injury after injury, given him captaincy of the club, and had fans singing his name. Arsenal fans feel let down, because at a time when we needed some stability, we believed that our captain wouldn't do the same as Nasri, as Adebayor, as Helb etc etc. And to that end, he was and is still, and utter utter **** of a man, who never really had Arsenal in his heart. He's just another badge kisser....and Utd fans would do well to hold back their adoration for someone who is clearly just like Nasri on the other side of town.

    That doesn't leave the club blameless however. He had another year to run on his contract....so we didn't HAVE to sell him. We only HAD to sell him, in that we wanted a fee for him. But we didn't HAVE to sell him to Utd. We could have sold him abroad....but money clearly mattered more, and we effectively sold Utd the title for 24m.

    That is inexcusible, given that we didn't replace him properly, and showed everyone what really mattered more to the club was a profit, and money in the bank.

    So in summary, RVP is a fraud, and a judas ****. And our club are just as fucking bad!
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    And to that end, he was and is still, and utter utter **** of a man, who never really had Arsenal in his heart. He's just another badge kisser....and Utd fans would do well to hold back their adoration for someone who is clearly just like Nasri on the other side of town.
    Unfortunately this applies to pretty much all footballers these days hence the disconnect we feel from the game these days.


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    Loyalty in football is a thing of the past to be honest, but it's a two way street, after all a club can decide to sell a player at any point even if under contract.....does anyone question it's loyalty then?

    As for RVP, well he moved and it's was terrible for us to see him go to Man U, but our attitude doesn't help, we expect to keep players happy without really trying to be successful, success for us is financial...should players just accept that and play out their careers with nothing to show for it because the club isn't that concerned about winning?

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    This has just got to be attention seeking right? It's over FFS you joker!

    We could claim and say anything about the bloke right up until that Villa game. That's when in his first season at a new club he officially won the title he's carried them to. The debate is over now. The medal is in his hand, the golden boot will be on his foot. It's over. If you want to keep analysing this then turn your attention to our club who wouldn't buy the players we needed to compliment and hang on to the best striker in the world. FFS, we are talking now about splashing £30mill to find a decent striker when we already had the best. How fucking stupid and pointless is that for a bunch of penny pinching ****s?
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    As a career decision, there is nothing to say. He's moved to a bigger club and it's been instantly justified. Fair enough.

    What stings the most is we were all naive enough to think a modicum of loyalty still existed in the game and that's why we feel let down.

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