Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
well i want you to describe him in one bloody word because if you're going to try and pick my argument apart then at least be consistent and give me yours. what word would you describe him in?

secondly, he is a controller. he may not control the ball as well as cesc or alonso but he's a different type of player to them. for you to say he doesnt keep possession or have accurate passing is wrong and you bloody well know it. he is the ball retainer in our midfield. what he lacks is the physical aspect. what is he good at then?

the last point i agree with but there aren't too many who can receive the ball under pressure in the premier league. jack is the one that is outstanding at it and never panics; he can pick the ball up in tight spaces and still manoeuvre himself out of tricky situations. but i dont think thats a problem just with arteta, its a problem across the whole of the premier league. for someone who is being completely played out of position you have to give your hat off to him, he's trying and has never been in this position before. still think he's average as a DM but next to one, great.
In one word. Midfielder?

You do realise football has come a long way from describing players in one word. Especially midfield players. Deep laying playmaker, defensive midfield, box to box, attacking midfielder…..a ‘controller’ is a term hardly ever used to describe a midfield player. If I’m comparing him to Cesc, Pirlo, Xavi, Carrick, Scholes, Rosicky, etc, shouldn’t that give you more accurate picture of the type of duty we expect him to perform? But feck it, let’s call him a ‘controller’ for arguments sake. You’re probably the only person on GW to use this term.

Your argument has been picked apart already. You’re contradicting yourself.

for someone who is being completely played out of position you have to give your hat off to him, he's trying and has never been in this position before. still think he's average as a DM but next to one, great.
i never said he was excellent next to a DM either, i said he's better there. i still think he's pretty average as everyone knows.
he's a controller, not a tackler. which is why when he's played in the DM role he's average. when he's playing next to a DM he's excellent

read posts properly before you comment and try to debate with someone who is actually agreeing with you
The nerve