Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Grebbo]

This whole "Bid £40m and we'll inform the player of the bid" clause makes absolutely no sense at all.

And as the great woman Judge Judy often says 'If it doesn't make sense then it's probably not true'

It's a buyout clause, no doubt about it. No way would Liverpool have got Suarez to sign his new contract without it. My big concern is Suarez is going to have to push this move through and probably get lawyers involved and it'll have to turn nasty for him to join us. I think he'd do this for a move to RM but not to us.

[Grebbo]

Would he be leaving on a free if we were building a team around him that included £70mill of new talent and a clear commitment we were going for the title? Arsenal legend in the making, great money, a real shot at winning something? Different picture isn't it? The picture he actually saw was zero investment, no hope, £140K offer when city would have given him twice that much. We don't know for sure but you have to at least make an effort of you want to keep these players. We made zero effort.

We'll probably never know but yes, I think there's a strong probability that he'd still have left. Maybe he would have left years earlier if he wasn't constantly injured, he never struck me as the loyal type.

[Ollie the Optimist]

This whole "Bid £40m and we'll inform the player of the bid" clause makes absolutely no sense at all.

And as the great woman Judge Judy often says 'If it doesn't make sense then it's probably not true'

It's a buyout clause, no doubt about it. No way would Liverpool have got Suarez to sign his new contract without it. My big concern is Suarez is going to have to push this move through and probably get lawyers involved and it'll have to turn nasty for him to join us. I think he'd do this for a move to RM but not to us.

if it is a buyout clause then liverpool cant reject the bid if its over 40 million. I cant see arsenal bidding 40 million either just on hope, they will have sounded suarez for a move before bidding, and clearly feel he wants to join or is at least open to joining us so will bid the clause bid to start offical talks. its so confusing this one.

also with real madrid, i dont htink they want suarez, i think they want bale. also hwere would suarez play? they've already got top strikers there, guess that might be a selling point to join us. be the main man etc

[Niall_Quinn]

but if he does get serious about bidding 40 million on one player then hes an idiot for blowing all our budget on one player. yep all your bases covered there for wumming

Ollie, it's the shareholders doing the WUM routine. Rooney? Serious? Suarez? Next year it will be Messi. It will have to be because the routine is getting ridiculous.

[AKBapologist]

good news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23428419

[Grebbo]

There's no point in trying to outspend Chelsea or Man City or to desire to have as many top quality players as they do. That's just never going to happen. But then Man Utd don't match them either and their squad has fewer names in it. Yet they manage to outplay both. Man Utd has to be our model, not Chelsea/Man City/PSG/Monaco. We will need to spend but it must fit into what we already have and we have to accept that we won't have 2-3 world class or even high quality players at every position.

Funny how Chelsea have made Man Utd's second choice striker their first choice transfer target. Either Mourinho doesn't know how to pick a player or people seriously under estimate how good that Man Utd team is. They're a central midfielder away from having the best team in the country. Their squad is littered with names.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez wants to hold talks with Arsenal over a potential move to the London club.Suarez believes Arsenal's offer of just over £40m - which was rejected - triggered a clause in his contract that allows him to speak to suitors.
Liverpool interpret the clause differently, but the 26-year-old will inform Reds boss Brendan Rodgers of his wish to meet with Arsenal.
The Anfield side have now turned down two offers from the Gunners.
But with Real Madrid forward Gonzalo Higuain, another of their targets, reportedly set to complete a move to Napoli, Arsenal will put all of their efforts into signing Suarez.

Suarez in numbers

• 30 goals in 44 appearances for Liverpool last season
• Since joining from Ajax in January 2011 for £22.7m, has scored 51 in 96 appearances
• 49 goals in 48 games for Ajax the season before joining Liverpool
• 31 goals in 62 appearances for Uruguay

Following Arsenal's most recent approach, a post on Liverpool owner John Henry's Twitter page read: "What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?"
It is unclear whether Henry is talking about Arsenal's attempts to sign Suarez or their valuation of the player.
The Gunners' unusual bid of £40,000,001 was designed to trigger the clause in the player's contract that stipulates Liverpool must consider any offer in excess of £40m and give Suarez the option of talking to the club - but the Reds do not have to sell.
While Liverpool remain determined to keep their prized asset, who scored 30 goals for the club in 44 appearances last season, their resolve is likely to be tested if the bidding continues to rise.
Real Madrid remain interested in the Uruguayan but have yet to make a formal offer.
Arsenal are waiting to learn the outcome of the striker's meeting with Rodgers on Liverpool's pre-season tour to Australia before deciding how to proceed.
Suarez could make his first appearance for the Reds this summer on Wednesday, after being named among the substitutes for the friendly against Melbourne Victory.
Should Arsenal persist and have an improved bid accepted, it could come close to trebling their previous highest initial outlay on a transfer.
The Gunners, whose first offer for Suarez was £30m, paid a reported £15m to Zenit St Petersburg for Andrey Arshavin, in January 2009.
Rodgers last week said he considered Suarez to be at least as valuable as Edinson Cavani, who recently joined Paris St-Germain for £55m.
Suarez joined Liverpool in Australia at the weekend after flying to Melbourne from Montevideo on Sunday, having been given extended leave by the Reds following the Confederations Cup.
He wants to leave Anfield to play for a Champions League clubdespite only signing a new long-term deal last summer.
Speculation has grown about Suarez's future since he was punished with a 10-game ban at the end of April for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic.
The striker still has to serve six games of that suspension and was also banned in 2011 after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra.
Suarez joined Liverpool from Ajax in January 2011 in a £22.7m deal.

this was just on the bbc. if suarez does want to talk as they say he does, then he must already be open to joining to us, subject to wages and all that. this one is going to run and run

[Niall_Quinn]

We'll probably never know but yes, I think there's a strong probability that he'd still have left. Maybe he would have left years earlier if he wasn't constantly injured, he never struck me as the loyal type.

Loyalty doesn't enter into it. Money talks with these guys. Money and ego. We claim we have the money now which means we had the money then. Fact is we didn't compete to keep our own captain and right there is the true ambition of this club. Take that ambition and measure it against these transfer sagas, you can see where it's going. The only other alternative is we are so fucking incompetent (after all these years of prudence) we accept in a twelve month period we lose the best and blow £30mill in fees and wages to get an inferior replacement. Bad business whichever way you look at it. It's only good business if the intention is to make profit rather than a football team that can win.

[Niall_Quinn]

this was just on the bbc. if suarez does want to talk as they say he does, then he must already be open to joining to us, subject to wages and all that. this one is going to run and run

Not a single quote in that article other than Henry claiming Wenger is on drugs.

[Cripps_orig]

I think people are forgetting in this Suarez and RVC talk is that Suarez is actually better and has been doing it for years, not just 2