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    Enough already

    I have been turned off Wenger at least 4 seasons ago watching the same seasonal collapse over and over again. It was painful watching him mould the team into a facsimile of himself, with players who are fragile and brittle, afraid of a tackle, tactically inept, indisciplined and indirect, precious and overpaid. He hass cossetted and coddled inadequates like Diaby and Denilson, Rosicky and Bendtner. We have a wage bill that should reflect high standards but instead you have players like Bentner who probably wont leave in the end because no one can match his probable 60k pw. Invalids like Rosicky who hasnt scored a goal in more than a year but no one will touch will a barge pole ( a man who missed a CL saving opportunity from 6 inches outside the goaline). We play an indirect football that forbids shooting from outside the box (think back, when last did you see a screamer go in from one of ours, maybe only Sagna from some time last season), Wenger is fixated with recreating the Barca miracle but with 2nd rate players, the top players can see through this. 2 seasons ago he managed top persuade RVP to stay with the promise of improvements to the team, he then bought Sylvester (yellow bald bird). last season he persuauded Fabregas with the same false promise (then bought Squillaci) . This man has over 5 years chipped away at the very foundations of what made him successfull with an illusion as his dogma.
    He will be the end of us if we allow him to continue in his delusions. He has become a dictator within the club but in the same way as Mussolini....with probably the same ending. (dictators are not all bad (Fergie) but only if they can show that they know what they are doing)
    He should be paid off the remaining year of his contract and Frank Rijkaard bought out of whatever contract he has just signed. This season is probably a bust now but a new man with Rijkaards standing will see us able to attract the kind of players that will revive the club down the line. We should not forget that Wenger is now what, 62?
    Finally I cannot understand the sort of supporter who rains abuse at every poster he disgarees with. After the Emirates cup i wrote that Walcott was not good enough and some microbe immediately jumped down my throat claiming i was judging him on the basis of one game. ONE GAME?. sheesh. I didnt bother replying such as you end up arguing with someone who gets his rocks off by masquerading as a keyboard slugger. Maybe 12 yrs old or 70 but blind to the obvous, only intent on insults. The bottom line is this is a team that is badly led, badly coached and above all badly managed. without change there will be no change.

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    Take with a pinch of salt but it's interesting if true...
    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/ma.../st170548.htm?
    By Eduardo
    August 21 2011
    According to an unnamed source Arsene Wenger is at loggerheads with the Board over how the transfer budget should be spent. I am not at liberty to name that source, but I believe the information I received explains the current impasse at Arsenal. Before I explain what the differences between them are, let me make it clear that there is a substantial transfer budget that has to not only cover transfer fees but wages of incoming players and contract improvements of those already here.
    The Board and Wenger are both in agreement that , to avoid the situation the club has encountered with Clichy and Nasri this summer, star men like Van Persie and Vermaelen and others with only two years left on their contract need to be offered new long term contracts with big pay rises.



    And this is where the first difference of opinion has arisen between manager and club, The Board believe that offering to rise a players wage from £60K - £70K a week to £90K or £100K is more than enough, but Wenger believes that this is not enough, when City, Utd and Chelsea are paying their best(£180K - £250K), and that if we want to keep our best players we have to go to the next level, he wants the pay scale risen to £150K for our best.



    This brings us neatly on to the next bone of contention between manager and club, the calibre of signing we can make. Both Wenger and the Board agree that to even maintain a top four spot, let alone win the title, several new signings are required.



    The Board are willing to pay big transfer fees, as is Wenger (he is not lying when he says he would pay £30M - £40M), it is also where the difference of opinion comes. The Board would willingly meet the transfer fee, but will not meet the sort of wage demands a £30M signings asks for.



    Wenger had a four pronged squad plan this summer,



    Keep our best players
    Buy in top level players to improve the team
    Sign young players with big potential
    Promote from within


    Wenger has done parts 3 and 4. He wanted to do part 1 and 2 by Nasri being offered a massive contract so he would stay, and he hoped to persuade Cesc to stay one more year, with not only a new contract but with the calibre of player he signed. Wenger wanted Mata and Benzema, he still wants Hazzard, wages more than anything else are ruling out Mata and Benzema.



    The Board had no problem meeting the Juan Mata transfer fee, but once Chelsea let it be known to his agents what they would offer, it blew Arsenal’s contract offer out of the water. We ran into the same situation with Jones and Utd.



    People ask why have Arsenal not signed Cahill, Dann or Samba etc, well its simple really, Wenger wants better players, the Board want him to sign the above level of player, as it sits with their wage scale, Arsene wants the next level up, a Subotic, a Hummells, but they come with not only high transfer fees but with massive wage demands.

    Wenger would rather not sign a player at all, than sign someone for a big fee who he considers no better than what we have, the board have asked him to reconsider this stance, and that is why Cahill and Dann have been scouted this late in the window, Arsene sees them as not as good as Koscielny, and thinks it is the wrong way to use his budget, he wants better quality for the first 11, the board just want him to make signings to appease the fans.



    Wenger had a major discussion with Kroenke and the Board on Members day. He was told in no uncertain terms that Nasri would have to be sold if he did not sign a contract, and between them they came to the decision to let Cesc go for less than his worth. But Wenger fought his corner, and made it clear the sort of player he wants and that our star men have to be given contract that will keep them, as you can not build if every year there is doubts who are staying and who are going. Arsene also reiterated his view that we need top quality players, not just one as good or possibly slightly better, and that these players come at a premium cost and that the club has to go up a level not only on fees but on wages.



    Arsene Wenger is a company man, and will not come out with any of this, while under contract, no matter how much flack he takes, and that is why his comments in the media, since the Members day meeting, have been more for the ears of Stan and Ivan than for the fans, he is warning them. He wont’ walk, and it will cost the club dear to sack him, and even more to shut him up if he is sacked, if they thought the deal David Dein struck with Bruce Rioch to keep him quiet was expensive, they will be blown away by what it will take to buy Arsene Wenger’s silence.



    Who wins this battle of wills may define not only what happens to Arsenal’s season, but for many seasons to come.

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    I have no sympathy for the man. You guys are on one if you think the board is to blame. PHW has no problem calling Arsenal fans 'idiots' and then you've this complete arrogance from Wenger telling people that his judgement shouldn't be questioned. Wenger has no problem telling the fans that the booing hasn't helped the Nasri situation and we're partly to blame for him leaving but has never turned on the board and openly questioned their behaviour. Even when PHW disrespects the fans, Gazidis is the man stepping in trying appeal to the fans and choosing his words carefully because he knows without us there is no club. He try's to send out the right message to the fans, you don't get none of that from PHW or Wenger. Just pure arrogance. They have this 'how dare you question my judgement' type attitude. You don't get that from Gazidis. He's knows the situation is tense and because of Wenger's actions, he's having to double back on the things he has said during the AST meeting.

    If Wenger was protecting the board, I'd a expect a much more humble approach and man talking as if his hands are tied. I get no sense of that from Wenger. His attitude and PHW's are almost synchronised. Where is the attempt to try and ease the fans fears or even empathise? He's telling people that 'patience is a sign of intelligence'! If you're under pressure and don't agree with what your boss is doing, you side with the people that hold a similar view or at least stay silent and not go all out to insult the people that have supported you for all these years.

    Sorry, I don't buy this board hanging Wenger out to try story. Not once has he questioned the boards policies because he agrees with them. We all know we have money to spend and months of speculation he comes put and says he'll spend up to £40m but only for the right type of player. What more do you need?

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    Just about any Manager that stages a showdown with their Board, ends up getting the sack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    Just about any Manager that stages a showdown with their Board, ends up getting the sack.
    Depends how much hate we can pour down on the filthy scum in the board room. The nasty vermin that has eaten the club from within. It usually takes an unbelievable amount to shift these types of shit stain. And with Stan hiding out across the ocean it would be even tougher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    I didn't see Liverpool as unwinnable. I do see Utd at Old Trafford as pretty much unwinnable and top 4 is going to be a real battle this year if we don't sign some quality. Still think we'll finish top 6 though. Wouldn't rule out top 4, long way to go yet.
    From a club challenging for title to being reasonably content with 6th.. AW has fucked us in the ass and for some weird reason, I still see him being defended. I want the cunt out and I'd rather not have a manager at Arsenal than have him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I have no sympathy for the man. You guys are on one if you think the board is to blame. PHW has no problem calling Arsenal fans 'idiots' and then you've this complete arrogance from Wenger telling people that his judgement shouldn't be questioned. Wenger has no problem telling the fans that the booing hasn't helped the Nasri situation and we're partly to blame for him leaving but has never turned on the board and openly questioned their behaviour. Even when PHW disrespects the fans, Gazidis is the man stepping in trying appeal to the fans and choosing his words carefully because he knows without us there is no club. He try's to send out the right message to the fans, you don't get none of that from PHW or Wenger. Just pure arrogance. They have this 'how dare you question my judgement' type attitude. You don't get that from Gazidis. He's knows the situation is tense and because of Wenger's actions, he's having to double back on the things he has said during the AST meeting.

    If Wenger was protecting the board, I'd a expect a much more humble approach and man talking as if his hands are tied. I get no sense of that from Wenger. His attitude and PHW's are almost synchronised. Where is the attempt to try and ease the fans fears or even empathise? He's telling people that 'patience is a sign of intelligence'! If you're under pressure and don't agree with what your boss is doing, you side with the people that hold a similar view or at least stay silent and not go all out to insult the people that have supported you for all these years.

    Sorry, I don't buy this board hanging Wenger out to try story. Not once has he questioned the boards policies because he agrees with them. We all know we have money to spend and months of speculation he comes put and says he'll spend up to £40m but only for the right type of player. What more do you need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    I have been turned off Wenger at least 4 seasons ago watching the same seasonal collapse over and over again. It was painful watching him mould the team into a facsimile of himself, with players who are fragile and brittle, afraid of a tackle, tactically inept, indisciplined and indirect, precious and overpaid. He hass cossetted and coddled inadequates like Diaby and Denilson, Rosicky and Bendtner. We have a wage bill that should reflect high standards but instead you have players like Bentner who probably wont leave in the end because no one can match his probable 60k pw. Invalids like Rosicky who hasnt scored a goal in more than a year but no one will touch will a barge pole ( a man who missed a CL saving opportunity from 6 inches outside the goaline). We play an indirect football that forbids shooting from outside the box (think back, when last did you see a screamer go in from one of ours, maybe only Sagna from some time last season), Wenger is fixated with recreating the Barca miracle but with 2nd rate players, the top players can see through this. 2 seasons ago he managed top persuade RVP to stay with the promise of improvements to the team, he then bought Sylvester (yellow bald bird). last season he persuauded Fabregas with the same false promise (then bought Squillaci) . This man has over 5 years chipped away at the very foundations of what made him successfull with an illusion as his dogma.
    He will be the end of us if we allow him to continue in his delusions. He has become a dictator within the club but in the same way as Mussolini....with probably the same ending. (dictators are not all bad (Fergie) but only if they can show that they know what they are doing)
    He should be paid off the remaining year of his contract and Frank Rijkaard bought out of whatever contract he has just signed. This season is probably a bust now but a new man with Rijkaards standing will see us able to attract the kind of players that will revive the club down the line. We should not forget that Wenger is now what, 62?
    Finally I cannot understand the sort of supporter who rains abuse at every poster he disgarees with. After the Emirates cup i wrote that Walcott was not good enough and some microbe immediately jumped down my throat claiming i was judging him on the basis of one game. ONE GAME?. sheesh. I didnt bother replying such as you end up arguing with someone who gets his rocks off by masquerading as a keyboard slugger. Maybe 12 yrs old or 70 but blind to the obvous, only intent on insults. The bottom line is this is a team that is badly led, badly coached and above all badly managed. without change there will be no change.
    Don't think frank will make much diffrence at this stage tbh, he will only be allowed to give certain wages and if people don't want to take pay cuts we have no chance of signing them.

    Any manager that comes in now will have a job on their hands tbh. Even if wenger got sacked on wednesday we still be in the same boat tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Take with a pinch of salt but it's interesting if true...
    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/ma.../st170548.htm?
    If true explains why so many potential deals have been broken off and have taken so long to complete these past couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I have no sympathy for the man. You guys are on one if you think the board is to blame. PHW has no problem calling Arsenal fans 'idiots' and then you've this complete arrogance from Wenger telling people that his judgement shouldn't be questioned. Wenger has no problem telling the fans that the booing hasn't helped the Nasri situation and we're partly to blame for him leaving but has never turned on the board and openly questioned their behaviour. Even when PHW disrespects the fans, Gazidis is the man stepping in trying appeal to the fans and choosing his words carefully because he knows without us there is no club. He try's to send out the right message to the fans, you don't get none of that from PHW or Wenger. Just pure arrogance. They have this 'how dare you question my judgement' type attitude. You don't get that from Gazidis. He's knows the situation is tense and because of Wenger's actions, he's having to double back on the things he has said during the AST meeting.

    If Wenger was protecting the board, I'd a expect a much more humble approach and man talking as if his hands are tied. I get no sense of that from Wenger. His attitude and PHW's are almost synchronised. Where is the attempt to try and ease the fans fears or even empathise? He's telling people that 'patience is a sign of intelligence'! If you're under pressure and don't agree with what your boss is doing, you side with the people that hold a similar view or at least stay silent and not go all out to insult the people that have supported you for all these years.

    Sorry, I don't buy this board hanging Wenger out to try story. Not once has he questioned the boards policies because he agrees with them. We all know we have money to spend and months of speculation he comes put and says he'll spend up to £40m but only for the right type of player. What more do you need?
    PHW calling the fans idiots has what to do with Wenger did he tell him too?

    If he is was angry with the board he will never say it its never been his way has it, what would you want him to do to be humble. His hands are tied to a point tbh.

    Do you think he wated to go to Asia with the sqaud, no way that was down to the new board. Do you thinks it was down to him to sell both Cesc and Nasri. He believed they would stay in his mind. his only faults were it should have been resloved sooner and presure should have been put on the board to accept the money quicker.

    He is no way blameless is wenger but its not all his fault

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