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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    My argument is that I don't know how much control he has and that neither do you but if you wish to pretend to have more knowledge about what goes on behind the scenes that than you actually have because it fits your argument than fair enough.
    Bit of a copout to be honest when all the evidence points to him having a lot of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    Age has no bearing on wages with Wenger. Wilshere is on £60k pw.

    I'd say a striker and CB is more urgent than wingers (especially a £15m winger who has played 0 minutes so far) and our opening three gams supports this IMO of course.
    Yeah it does, that's a new contract negotiated in January, isn't it? Wilshere was fantastic for the preceding 5 months and got a pay-rise commensurate with his rise in squad status. AOC is an unproven youngster so whilst he's probably on better wages than the equivalent player at a different club it won't be enough to break the wage structure which is, allegedly, what was holding up our summer. I don't say I particularly believe it, it's easy enough for someone to make up any old bollocks but that transfer seems to support it.

    I agree with you that the squad still needs work, although I'd add an AM to that as we're losing one of the most creative player in the world and the guy we groomed as his replacement, if he's a goal-scorer we might not need another striker but with Chamakh's worrying form it wouldn't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    Bit of a copout to be honest when all the evidence points to him having a lot of control.
    Not really. What evidence? I'm just saying I don't know. If you do then fine, let's hear how you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    If that was the case why would Wenger tolerate it?

    Can't see him as the martyr destroying his reputation for the sake of a few old men making a lot of money.

    As much as I would love to wish that the restrictions (not buying top players) were imposed by the board because it is devastating watching Wenger decline from the man who created the Invincibles to the man that gave Denilson 150+ appearances, logically I can't see that to be the case given his actions in the past.
    Cos he actually cares for the club would be one reason. He's put a LOT of work into Arsenal and if speaking out about the backroom squabbling would harm the club (which it probably would imo) or put him out of work, I don't think he'd do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    Not really. What evidence? I'm just saying I don't know. If you do then fine, let's hear how you know.
    If that's the case then noone knows anything so no point talking about anything.

    Based on the evidence we have over the years (i.e Wenger's comments on wage structure, player cost and failed negotiations etc) we can hazard a pretty good gues that Wenger has a lot of say in transfers.

    What we know certainly points to that fact rather than the fact he has no involvement and he's an innocent victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    Bit of a copout to be honest when all the evidence points to him having a lot of control.
    he asked me what evidence i have for the schwarzer part of my post. i told him.

    he asked me what evidence i have for the alonso part of my post. i told him.

    i guess he kept beating around the bush until he could get to the point where he could reply with 'well as you dont know that part im right and this argument ends here'.

    which is exactly what he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vela View Post
    Cos he actually cares for the club would be one reason. He's put a LOT of work into Arsenal and if speaking out about the backroom squabbling would harm the club (which it probably would imo) or put him out of work, I don't think he'd do that.
    Wenger does care for the club, he also cares for his players an awful lot (always seems to put their needs first), on top of that he cares about his principles too much.

    I don't deny he cares, he's however blinded by other factors and this leads him to making poor decisions for the club he cares about, which in turn affect the club negatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vela View Post
    Cos he actually cares for the club would be one reason. He's put a LOT of work into Arsenal and if speaking out about the backroom squabbling would harm the club (which it probably would imo) or put him out of work, I don't think he'd do that.
    That doesn't make sense as all the 'backroom squabbling' if it exists is actually harming the club on the pitch with no trophies in the last 6 years.

    I honestly think he just has too much faith in the players he has / players he signs and believes they will come good and prove everyone wrong eventually, which is why he sticks with them.

    The King Is Back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    he asked me what evidence i have for the schwarzer part of my post. i told him.

    he asked me what evidence i have for the alonso part of my post. i told him.

    i guess he kept beating around the bush until he could get to the point where he could reply with 'well as you dont know that part im right and this argument ends here'.

    which is exactly what he did
    I agree you provided answers to his questions which were perfectly reasonable.

    The evidence you provided is as concrete as you're going to get without physically being involved in the running of the club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    I honestly think he just has too much faith in the players he has / players he signs and believes they will come good and prove everyone wrong eventually, which is why he sticks with them.
    His faith in his players is a real weakness IMO, they seem to be all important ironically many of them just lose faith or move on when the opportunity arrives and yet he never learns.

    He evens turns against the fans and blames the problems on them rather than his own players as the Adebayor scenario highlighted, as a consequence they never have to take responsibility for their actions.

    He's totally blinded by this belief in his players, to the detriment of the club.

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