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    its funny how bentdner is complaining that AW refused to sell him, when in July, clubs refused to sign him, despite agreeing a fee with us, because he refused to lower his wage demands. forget that bit Niklas? prick

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Well tell me when a defeat for us (and they will come in the league) would not have changed your feeling prior to yesterday then.
    Not sure what you are after. Prior to the season I didn't think we'd win the league. A (hopeful) change in position having seen us get to the top come November is a perfectly reasonable thing. And now the Manure game has demonstrated our team's shortcomings. You know as well as I do that this game was not an average league defeat. My position may change again after a few more games. Because that's what football is. Each weekend can cause perceptions to change.

    Don't confuse pointing out issues with the team with being reactionary rather than reacting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    Not sure what you are after. Prior to the season I didn't think we'd win the league. A (hopeful) change in position having seen us get to the top come November is a perfectly reasonable thing. And now the Manure game has demonstrated our team's shortcomings. You know as well as I do that this game was not an average league defeat. My position may change again after a few more games. Because that's what football is. Each weekend can cause perceptions to change.

    Don't confuse pointing out issues with the team with being reactionary rather than reacting.
    in the league and champions league this season, we have played spurs, liverpool, united, dortmund x2 and napoli. conceding 2 goals. our defence has kept out some of the best striker partnerships. we've lost 2 and won 4. the four wins were some of the best performances from this team in a long way, the two defeats were to an extent unlucky, the winners on both occasions were not better then us on the day. the fact is, that was united's best performance of the season. says everything you need to know about their season.

    these shortcomings you talk of, look at the big games this season, not only have we won 4 of them, we won all 4 by being the best team, being resilient in defence and explosive in attack. superb performances, and we won those games with a huge injury list too. you can prepare for injuries by adding cover, you can't prepare though for extremes, such as all 4 wingers being out at once. while we may not win the league, yesterdays game shows how fall united have fallen. that was their best performance of the season, it was probably our worst one, and we almost got a point and perhaps that was the least we deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    in the league and champions league this season, we have played spurs, liverpool, united, dortmund x2 and napoli. conceding 2 goals. our defence has kept out some of the best striker partnerships. we've lost 2 and won 4. the four wins were some of the best performances from this team in a long way, the two defeats were to an extent unlucky, the winners on both occasions were not better then us on the day. the fact is, that was united's best performance of the season. says everything you need to know about their season.

    these shortcomings you talk of, look at the big games this season, not only have we won 4 of them, we won all 4 by being the best team, being resilient in defence and explosive in attack. superb performances, and we won those games with a huge injury list too. you can prepare for injuries by adding cover, you can't prepare though for extremes, such as all 4 wingers being out at once. while we may not win the league, yesterdays game shows how fall united have fallen. that was their best performance of the season, it was probably our worst one, and we almost got a point and perhaps that was the least we deserved.
    We weren't the best team in Dortmund, that was a real smash and grab. We won those four games because we scored first, the two we lost were because we conceded first. In games against the top sides, it is very important who can score first. We aren't very good at chasing the game but are very good at keeping a lead. Had Spurs or Liverpool scored first I am not sure we would have won either game, likewise had we scored first against United I am sure we would have won.

    The best teams absorb pressure and hit on the break. I doubt that was Uniteds best performance because they didn't play that well but didn't really need to.

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    Looks like he is out till December and Theo is the only one coming back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumble View Post
    We weren't the best team in Dortmund, that was a real smash and grab. We won those four games because we scored first, the two we lost were because we conceded first. In games against the top sides, it is very important who can score first. We aren't very good at chasing the game but are very good at keeping a lead. Had Spurs or Liverpool scored first I am not sure we would have won either game, likewise had we scored first against United I am sure we would have won.

    The best teams absorb pressure and hit on the break. I doubt that was Uniteds best performance because they didn't play that well but didn't really need to.
    We werent the best team!? Just because Dortmund plays super direct football, doesnt mean they were the better team, we were milimeters from scoring 3-4 more goals, Dortmund didnt really have any dangerous chances. People like you dont even consider defence to be a part of a team and therefor you think Dortmund are better because they play the more direct football...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    in the league and champions league this season, we have played spurs, liverpool, united, dortmund x2 and napoli. conceding 2 goals. our defence has kept out some of the best striker partnerships. we've lost 2 and won 4. the four wins were some of the best performances from this team in a long way, the two defeats were to an extent unlucky, the winners on both occasions were not better then us on the day. the fact is, that was united's best performance of the season. says everything you need to know about their season.

    these shortcomings you talk of, look at the big games this season, not only have we won 4 of them, we won all 4 by being the best team, being resilient in defence and explosive in attack. superb performances, and we won those games with a huge injury list too. you can prepare for injuries by adding cover, you can't prepare though for extremes, such as all 4 wingers being out at once. while we may not win the league, yesterdays game shows how fall united have fallen. that was their best performance of the season, it was probably our worst one, and we almost got a point and perhaps that was the least we deserved.
    But Ollie - noone's underplaying our achievements. What is being focused on is the problems that we continue to suffer regardless - namely:

    - Ongoing debilitating injury situation that we need to start taking into account with our transfer dealings if we want to be champions
    - Overplaying our match winners. Whether or not we have a capable squad on paper - we all know that the reality is that there are at least 8 first team players who need to be on the pitch if we are to be confident of winning games.
    - Predictability. Our players need to be 100% every game to counter the fact that teams know how to stop us play. We have done exceptionally well to maintain this so far this season - but there seems so little room for error.

    If we are honest, these issues are nothing new. The improvement in our defence, not in our attacking ability as a team is why we are where we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    But Ollie - noone's underplaying our achievements. What is being focused on is the problems that we continue to suffer regardless - namely:

    - Ongoing debilitating injury situation that we need to start taking into account with our transfer dealings if we want to be champions
    - Overplaying our match winners. Whether or not we have a capable squad on paper - we all know that the reality is that there are at least 8 first team players who need to be on the pitch if we are to be confident of winning games.
    - Predictability. Our players need to be 100% every game to counter the fact that teams know how to stop us play. We have done exceptionally well to maintain this so far this season - but there seems so little room for error.

    If we are honest, these issues are nothing new. The improvement in our defence, not in our attacking ability as a team is why we are where we are.
    You are being unrealistic if you expect arsenal to have more squad depth than silly money clubs like chelsea and city, we cant have 3-4 quality players on every position just because we've been unlucky with injuries in the same area the last couple of months. All we really need is a 2. quality striker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasTC View Post
    We werent the best team!? Just because Dortmund plays super direct football, doesnt mean they were the better team, we were milimeters from scoring 3-4 more goals, Dortmund didnt really have any dangerous chances. People like you dont even consider defence to be a part of a team and therefor you think Dortmund are better because they play the more direct football...
    that is a very stupid statement. We scored from our first chance which was in the second half. We played better after that, you are being an idiot to forget the first hour or so. I assume you know the idea of football is to score goals and win games. Defending for 90 minutes doesnt win many matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumble View Post
    that is a very stupid statement. We scored from our first chance which was in the second half. We played better after that, you are being an idiot to forget the first hour or so. I assume you know the idea of football is to score goals and win games. Defending for 90 minutes doesnt win many matches.
    Really?

    It pretty much won both fixtures between us and Dortmund.

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