Match Reaction vs United

[Syn]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? He was coming down with flu or whatever that bug was. He was under the weather and he played accordingly.

The expectations of some here are ludicrous. He had a bad game. Big fucking deal. Also from the sounds of some here, he has been crap from day 1. That is simply wrong.

He has had quite a few games like this. Some good ones too. His performances have more to do with the fact that he's struggling for fitness and trying to adapt to the physical side of the game - the same things Giroud was saying last season. That's fine and I don't expect him to start showing his best until after a few months, maybe a season. That said he could've done better on occasions where we might've been in on goal in a game we lost. This is a match reaction thread. Where you talk about things that might've influenced the game or summat. I'm not saying signing Ozil was a mistake or criticising his inability to take on 4 players and score. Sorry if that's causing you emotional pain.

[PGFC]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? He was coming down with flu or whatever that bug was. He was under the weather and he played accordingly.

The expectations of some here are ludicrous. He had a bad game. Big fucking deal. Also from the sounds of some here, he has been crap from day 1. That is simply wrong.

never let the truth get in the way of a good whinge.

If he had left out Arteta and Ozil who were showing signs of sickness, he wouldn't have had enough players available to fill the bench, Jenks and Hayden had to be driven up on Sunday as bench cover for Merts & Rosicknote, maybe there was no-one left sober enough to travel.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Little bit Chamakhy?

When I saw that chance in real time, Chamakh against us sprung to mind immediately. Had it been Chamakh himself we would all be laughing and stating that he bottled yet another chance in all likelihood. I was only aware of the virus after the game and I can only surmise that Ozil was feeling the effects and probably should not have been playing at all. As perhaps one or two others possibly shouldn't.

The flight of the ball was certainly not so tricky that a player who is regularly called a top 10 player in the world could not have accurately judged it. He didn't even poke his head out.

I think that it is not only reasonable but pertinent to factor in the effect of a sudden epidemic throughout a squad when looking at it in the light of a game where the margins between success and failure are thin. The higher the quality of the players and teams the more reasonable it is to expect games to be settled on very little. Despite not being at our best we could have easily got a point.

I also think the issue underlying a lot of the debate here is the fact that despite the impressive wins, we've beaten Dortmund before (albeit at home) and we generally have good records against Spurs and Liverpool who we beat also. Chelsea and United however have far too regularly got one/many over on us and so it leaves us with that somewhat convoluted feeling of 'nothing has changed'. Of course things have actually changed, but it would be nice to rubber stamp that by really sticking it to one of the teams we have now traditionally made hard work of. For some that will only come after we win a game that we typically lose.

I find it difficult to get too worked up about Bendtner's comments because I kind of had the feeling that his personal focus was always about ensuring he gets the best move out of here for himself. That is his best shot of finding a team who will be willing to pay him anything like what he is on now after all. I don't really have a whole lot of ill will left to spare but I am left with the lingering annoyance that having known what a tit he is, Wenger still allowed us to enter the season relying on a player who publicly vowed never to play for us again. At best it is a laughable situation and at worse it is negligent. Moreover we spent the saying hours trying to sign a player from a club who a) have absolutely no need for our money (and relatively little of it at that) and b) Would like nothing more than to see us fail.

I appreciate that we have Walcott, Podolski and Sanogo but what bothers me is the fact that they are options at CF the manager doesn't really trust. You get the feeling that they are options that follow as a result of our hand being 'forced' rather than actually 'opted' for. Not like making a choice between Chamberlain and Wilshere in midfield with both offering slightly different qualities which may be more or less suited to certain opponents. Or like choosing between Arteta and Flamini....

I won't give Wenger too much stick for it because we haven't been made to pay for our lack of options too severely yet, but I really hope this is an urgent matter to him which will be addressed as soon as he can do so. Even if it means moving one or two of his summer plans (assuming he has them) forward to January.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not really sure he'd have been able to get a head to that one. It was whipped in fast from the look of things. The type of ball that was dropping over his shoulder. I think he got his timing wrong. Type of ball you want to control or poke your head out to the win the header if your sprinting at that sort of pace to make up the ground.

He was ill wasn't he? Sapped of energy, like a couple of other players. Utd met us right time, right place, our team coming off two huge games with illness in the camp. The disruption to what has become a solid defensive pairing made the difference. I won't claim the injury thing because our injuries haven't been nearly as bad over the last two seasons and are now roughly on par with other teams.

Utd won with a fluke off the shoulder of a player neither Ferguson or the dreadful Moyes built. I still maintain selling them the cunt was our low point in recent history. It was a nervy and tired game where either side was just as likely to bundle a result. There was nothing in it and if we played the match ten times in a row under the same circumstances we'd win 5. they'd win 5.

Fact is, the Utd fans went into that game HOPING they could win it. There's the difference, their confidence levels at OT were 50/50 at best. Moyes has killed them, they may be able to get confidence from scraping out a win against us on their own patch but Moyes will still be showing up in the morning and there's nothing their players can do about that downer.

I take it we'll be fit and may even have a few players back when they visit our patch? If we click into the extra gears we have we'll annihilate them. They don't have the extra gears any more. This is not a bad place to be at all considering a few weeks back we were looking every bit a mid table outfit. And if we haven't been "perfect" and seem to have a few weaknesses still, or if brand new players aren't quite on target to walk the footballer of the year award in their first season - what's City's excuse? Or the chavs? Ot Utd's in fact? They are 5 points behind us still - I fail to see how that puts them in the driving seat or marks some sort of demise in our prospects.

It was always unlikely we'd go from being below par to the Invincibles in a few weeks - not sure why some of the other posters on here are demanding something so unrealistic.

[Niall_Quinn]

never let the truth get in the way of a good whinge.

If he had left out Arteta and Ozil who were showing signs of sickness, he wouldn't have had enough players available to fill the bench, Jenks and Hayden had to be driven up on Sunday as bench cover for Merts & Rosicknote, maybe there was no-one left sober enough to travel.

What would you rather have? An empty bench or a bench full of Bendtners? I'd rather play with 8 on the pitch. We had a clear out of all the shit we'd accumulated over the years and that freed up cash to buy and retain better players. We are light in numbers but this is the start of heading in the right direction.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

That reminds me. It was sickening to hear the 'he's an Arsenal man' talk as well as having to stomach him scoring the winner against us and sliding on his knees. Pure vomit material.

Sell them the best player in the league, call him an Arsenal man before a game and then watch him score the winner against us. You couldn't make it up.

[PGFC]

Is it not an FA requirement to have a full bench available? I would have preferred to have had a fully fit starting 11 but I suppose AW played the cards he had been dealt on the day and got what he got, thems the breaks.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? He was coming down with flu or whatever that bug was. He was under the weather and he played accordingly.

The expectations of some here are ludicrous. He had a bad game. Big fucking deal. Also from the sounds of some here, he has been crap from day 1. That is simply wrong.

He is shit and we need to sell him. Can't believe we swapped him for Gervinho. Wonder if Roma will do a swap deal.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

What would you rather have? An empty bench or a bench full of Bendtners? I'd rather play with 8 on the pitch. We had a clear out of all the shit we'd accumulated over the years and that freed up cash to buy and retain better players. We are light in numbers but this is the start of heading in the right direction.

Exactly.

The main aim over the summer was to get rid of all the crap and create a team spirit through players that have something to offer. We done that bar 1 player, Bendtner. It was a pretty decent effort tbf.

Now it's time to sprinkle the current squad with top quality players over the next 2-3 transfer windows.

After that, it's time

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

When I saw that chance in real time, Chamakh against us sprung to mind immediately. Had it been Chamakh himself we would all be laughing and stating that he bottled yet another chance in all likelihood. I was only aware of the virus after the game and I can only surmise that Ozil was feeling the effects and probably should not have been playing at all. As perhaps one or two others possibly shouldn't.

The flight of the ball was certainly not so tricky that a player who is regularly called a top 10 player in the world could not have accurately judged it. He didn't even poke his head out.

I think that it is not only reasonable but pertinent to factor in the effect of a sudden epidemic throughout a squad when looking at it in the light of a game where the margins between success and failure are thin. The higher the quality of the players and teams the more reasonable it is to expect games to be settled on very little. Despite not being at our best we could have easily got a point.

I also think the issue underlying a lot of the debate here is the fact that despite the impressive wins, we've beaten Dortmund before (albeit at home) and we generally have good records against Spurs and Liverpool who we beat also. Chelsea and United however have far too regularly got one/many over on us and so it leaves us with that somewhat convoluted feeling of 'nothing has changed'. Of course things have actually changed, but it would be nice to rubber stamp that by really sticking it to one of the teams we have now traditionally made hard work of. For some that will only come after we win a game that we typically lose.

I find it difficult to get too worked up about Bendtner's comments because I kind of had the feeling that his personal focus was always about ensuring he gets the best move out of here for himself. That is his best shot of finding a team who will be willing to pay him anything like what he is on now after all. I don't really have a whole lot of ill will left to spare but I am left with the lingering annoyance that having known what a tit he is, Wenger still allowed us to enter the season relying on a player who publicly vowed never to play for us again. At best it is a laughable situation and at worse it is negligent. Moreover we spent the saying hours trying to sign a player from a club who a) have absolutely no need for our money (and relatively little of it at that) and b) Would like nothing more than to see us fail.

I appreciate that we have Walcott, Podolski and Sanogo but what bothers me is the fact that they are options at CF the manager doesn't really trust. You get the feeling that they are options that follow as a result of our hand being 'forced' rather than actually 'opted' for. Not like making a choice between Chamberlain and Wilshere in midfield with both offering slightly different qualities which may be more or less suited to certain opponents. Or like choosing between Arteta and Flamini....

I won't give Wenger too much stick for it because we haven't been made to pay for our lack of options too severely yet, but I really hope this is an urgent matter to him which will be addressed as soon as he can do so. Even if it means moving one or two of his summer plans (assuming he has them) forward to January.

I think that chance is as clear cut as you'll get. I'm not sure why people are making it out as a hard chance for Ozil. Rampard's ball was pretty much inch perfect. All he has to do is jump and he'll connect. Giroud would have scored that.

I think Ozil assumed De Gea was coming out for it and was going to catch it rather easily. In the end he didn't, and the chance went by.