Champions League Group Stage Draw. 25th August 16:45 BST.

[WMUG]

Small club tbf.

I did not say they were a small club! But they're not going to generate an atmosphere among the Arsenal fans at the game in the same way Milan would, rightly or wrongly. Yes there'll be a great atmosphere at their ground, but that's their advantage, not ours.

[Boss]

WMUG is spot on here.

Just cos some of you know who Borussia Dortmund are doesn't mean that the 60k that fill our stadium will.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I did not say they were a small club! But they're not going to generate an atmosphere among the Arsenal fans at the game in the same way Milan would, rightly or wrongly. Yes there'll be a great atmosphere at their ground, but that's their advantage, not ours.

And they will help to create a good, if not great atmopshere at ours. The quality of their team will raise that for it too, unless it is a dead rubber (it is the fifth game we will play after all). Can I ask why you keep using Milan as the standard bearer; was there something particularly memorable for you about the atmosphere for the 0-0 three years ago?

I was being faceitious before, given I hadn't actually quoted you then.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

WMUG is spot on here.

Just cos some of you know who Borussia Dortmund are doesn't mean that the 60k that fill our stadium will.

I suspect it could well just be a good atmosphere based on the fact we'll be playing a German team, regardless of anything else - I think most will know they are German.

[WMUG]

And they will help to create a good, if not great atmopshere at ours. The quality of their team will raise that for it too, unless it is a dead rubber (it is the fifth game we will play after all). Can I ask why you keep using Milan as the standard bearer; was there something particularly memorable for you about the atmosphere for the 0-0 three years ago?

I was being faceitious before, given I hadn't actually quoted you then.

Because they're a team we could've got today. They may be a worse team than Dortmund, I don't know, but they'd have inspired a better atmosphere than Dortmund, Olympiakos or Marseille will, I can assure you that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Because they're a team we could've got today. They may be a worse team than Dortmund, I don't know, but they'd have inspired a better atmosphere than Dortmund, Olympiakos or Marseille will, I can assure you that.

Milan are a team we have actually played before in the Champions League so I was figuring you might recall if, for you, the atmosphere was special for that game.

[Edinburgh Gooner]

Because they're a team we could've got today. They may be a worse team than Dortmund, I don't know, but they'd have inspired a better atmosphere than Dortmund, Olympiakos or Marseille will, I can assure you that.

It shouldn't matter who we are playing PL or European. There should be a great atmosphere from our end. I have never been to a Home game, but by watchin on TV teh atmosphere at the Grove are not what I saw from games at Highbury. Stick Milan in our group and we'd probably struggle to get out of it. I'd prefer getting to the knock out stages with a silent crowd, than get knocked out whilst at the same time having an electric atmosphere.

[WMUG]

Milan are a team we have actually played before in the Champions League so I was figuring you might recall if, for you, the atmosphere was special for that game.

Not special, but certainly above average.

My point, EG (which was meant to be a throwaway comment that started this whole thing off) is that there will be no electric atmosphere and still decent teams that we may struggle to get past.

Anyway, this nit picking has gone far enough, I'm out.

[GP]

Not special, but certainly above average.

My point, EG (which was meant to be a throwaway comment that started this whole thing off) is that there will be no electric atmosphere and still decent teams that we may struggle to get past.

Anyway, this nit picking has gone far enough, I'm out.

It's only the group stage. Big teams come later.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Not special, but certainly above average.

My point, EG (which was meant to be a throwaway comment that started this whole thing off) is that there will be no electric atmosphere and still decent teams that we may struggle to get past.

Anyway, this nit picking has gone far enough, I'm out.

Well my irony meter exploded there - it wasn't nitpicking, it was establishing what you thought of the atmosphere we had when we played the team you referenced. It doesn't have to be an 'electric' atmosphere, I never suggested it would be, I said it would be a good atmosphere. And if it gets to the level of the Milan game which I now know you consider above average (and that for a knock-out tie) then that I guess that would indeed represent a relatively good atmosphere.