Match Reaction vs Mongs

[JonasTC]

Mate you need to take you head out of the clouds, you blame everything but the people who should be blamed, this nonsense about refs has got to stop, yes City have had favourable decisions but so have we, the only reason you don't see them is bias.

The refs aren't the reason we aren't top, the reason we're not top is because we haven't really turned up in big games and have begun to run out of steam come crunch time, together with some of the decisions made by our manager.

I'm sure you'll find one or two like you on every forum in the country, people who point to decisions and claim their team should be higher up than they are because of the refs, it just isn't true.

pls tell me the last time the ref straight up gave us the victory?

[Özim]

pls tell me the last time the ref straight up gave us the victory?

No ref gives any team a victory, all teams get some good decisions and some bad decisions. We've had good and bad decisions, it's just people focus on the bad ones (some of which aren't that bad at all).

We're not top basically because we've not performed against the better teams, a problem that's been hindering us for quite some time now.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No ref gives any team a victory, all teams get some good decisions and some bad decisions. We've had good and bad decisions, it's just people focus on the bad ones (some of which aren't that bad at all).

We're not top basically because we've not performed against the better teams, a problem that's been hindering us for quite some time now.

baring the liverpool game and the second penalty, i can't remember a game where we said afterwards, phew we got lucky there. I don't think refs give teams victories, but they can influence a result to a loss or draw. we have been on the end of some shocking decisions this season which have cost us not nesscarily wins, but draws.

[fakeyank]

baring the liverpool game and the second penalty, i can't remember a game where we said afterwards, phew we got lucky there. I don't think refs give teams victories, but they can influence a result to a loss or draw. we have been on the end of some shocking decisions this season which have cost us not nesscarily wins, but draws.

What are some of the 'shocking' decisions that went against us this season? Stoke penalty, stamp on Giroud and...? There might be decisions which Arsenal fans might feel hard done by, but they are not necessarily 'shocking'. Eg: Penalty for Villa against us at home, red card for chezza against bayern, suarez first pel against us in FA cup.

[Ollie the Optimist]

the offside decisions v city
the handball v city that should have been a penalty
the stonewall penalty on theo against chelsea at home
the ramies (or was it mikel) two footed lunge at arteta v chelsea that should have been a straight red
the refereeing display at the villa match in august

those are just the ones that spring to mind. not all of those decisions would have meant we would have won the game, but suddenly if you reduce chelsea to ten men and give us a penalty. 1-0 v ten men for 65ish minutes?? chances are we might have won.

not only are the decisions i have listed, wrong, they are obviously wrong. id expect a conference ref to give them they were that obvious. but you take city's offside decisions in the match against us, they win so thats 3 points, two games later, newcastle have an equaliser ruled out for offside wrongly. that means decisions have heavily influenced 6 points that they won.

the standard of refereeing on the whole has been shocking this season, so many big decisions are just wrong and the FA don't have the balls to do anything about it. I don't think all the decisions that have gone against us have been the sole reason we have lost/drawn but they don't help. we have had more then our fair share of rough decisions this season

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

The turning point in the season came when Walcott got injured for 6 months and then Ramsey got injured a few of weeks later yet Wenger still failed to invest in the January window.

At that point we lost the title.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

City have way more decisions for them, than against them this season, you cant deny that (and im not saying its corrupt refs, just super incompetent)

Wenger has done enough in his control to see us in 1st place, but a 3rd party he cant control, has slowly taken that away ever since the beginning of this season. So i cant follow the whole "Wenger out" train, because if it hadnt been for dodgy decisions, we would have been 1st.


If not for dodgy decisions: Arsenal 1st place, everyone loves Wenger.

A couple of dodgy decisions: Arsenal 4th place, everyone hates Wenger.

It just doesnt make sense to me

Have you watched every City game front to back? Isn't it simply true that most of the ones that go against them won't end up costing them because of the sheer quality they have and their ability to steam roller teams? It's quite a pedantic task to highlight on a regular basis decisions against a team who often batter their opponents and thus many of those instances won't even get shown. MOTD and other such shows can only be so long and the minutiae only so deep.

I would have some sympathy for a statement which cited ref decisions as a factor in the reason we are not top now, somewhere in it......but to just plainly say we are 3rd because of ref decisions is some stretch Jonas.

That is pretty much bias in its purest form.

The Wenger in or out debate needn't be brought into the above debate either, particularly as many people wanted him out before the season even started. Not that I am one of them.....and neither am I now, but let's not make out as if the Wenger out parade has suddenly come to town or formed over night.....even if many its members rear their head on the back of a bad result.

Some of the issues are such that you may still argue they were issues even if we were top. For example, even if we were top of the league right now, I'd still stand by my argument that we need better CF options and that we should have already done much more to address that by now.