When do we start to believe ?

[Munchies]

Liverpool have the best fixture run really, all the big games are at home for them. And when you have the strikers they do, they can win a game against anyone.

But for us, do decent enough in the next 2 and who knows ?

[fakeyank]

We still have Everton away but I don't think we will have any chance with 2 more defeats.

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[Xhaka Can’t]

As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know.

I don't know about that.

[AFC Leveller]

Liverpool have their destiny in their own hands and with their strikers scoring for fun and causing all sorts of problems, i can see them winning the league.

[selassie]

All that can be said with any certainty is that we need to beat at least one of the scum clubs, or at least avoid defeat in both games so that they don't pull away from us. There are far too many six-pointers between now and the end of the season to say that any team has a significant advantage, and the fact that they're shared between four teams makes it impossible to make any blanket statements about what we need to happen.

Singling out Liverpool at this point is assuming what can't possibly be known.

I think we need to more than avoid defeat, I think we need to win both, we are chasing not leading.

Of course anything can happen and my comments regarding Liverpool were more of a passing thought than a statement. My thoughts were aired given that a lot of comments are related to us having to beat Chelsea and City to assume top spot when in fact we have the small matter of Liverpool too. Liverpool are clearly the form team in the league and results wise are pretty much wiping the floor with everybody.

[Letters]

Spurs: P2, W2, D0 L0
United: P2, W0 D1, L1
Liverpool: P2 W1, D0, L1
Chelsea: P1, W0, D1, L0
City: P1, W0, D0, L1

Overall: P8, W3, D2, L3

We've won as many as we've lost, though granted not against title rivals. Not as good as it could've been, of course, but not a disaster. Losing to both scum clubs would obviously be disastrous, but from practically speaking, I don't think we need to beat both of them to stay in contention. It's as much, if not more, about taking points off our rivals as it is getting them ourselves. I reckon 2 points from those two games would be better than 3.

I wouldn't include Spurs or Utd. They are big games (seriously, how did we not beat Utd this year? ), but neither are title rivals and those are the games I'm talking about.
In 97/98 that moment we won at Old Trafford, that was when I believed we could do it. If you can go to your title rivals and beat them in their back yard it shows you've got what it takes.
We beat Liverpool at home of course but we got a right thumping up there. City walloped us too although I thought we played pretty well that day. Chelsea at home was a pretty limp draw (although we'd have won if we had a real top class striker). If we can get a result at Stamford Bridge and beat City at our place we'll have a real chance IMO.

[WMUG]

I think we need to more than avoid defeat, I think we need to win both, we are chasing not leading.

Of course anything can happen and my comments regarding Liverpool were more of a passing thought than a statement. My thoughts were aired given that a lot of comments are related to us having to beat Chelsea and City to assume top spot when in fact we have the small matter of Liverpool too. Liverpool are clearly the form team in the league and results wise are pretty much wiping the floor with everybody.

Fair enough, but a lot of teams have been the form team in the league this season. The team everyone thinks will win it has changed so many times this season, and it's got enough time to change another 2 or 3 times before the end.

The reason I'm talking about the two scum clubs is because they're the ones we can do something about. We could still win all our games this season and have Liverpool finish above us because we don't play them again this season, but our season hinges massively on how we can do against City and Chelsea. Liverpool aren't really worth worrying about.

I wouldn't include Spurs or Utd. They are big games (seriously, how did we not beat Utd this year? ), but neither are title rivals and those are the games I'm talking about.
In 97/98 that moment we won at Old Trafford, that was when I believed we could do it. If you can go to your title rivals and beat them in their back yard it shows you've got what it takes.
We beat Liverpool at home of course but we got a right thumping up there. City walloped us too although I thought we played pretty well that day. Chelsea at home was a pretty limp draw (although we'd have won if we had a real top class striker). If we can get a result at Stamford Bridge and beat City at our place we'll have a real chance IMO.

We aren't winning at the Bridge, nobody wins there, but we don't really need to to finish above Chelsea, given our game in hand. City at home is one we do need to win to have it in our own hands, and you might argue that that's what it takes to be a title contender, but empirically, it isn't. We can still be in contention without beating them, they've been dropping points where you wouldn't expect them to recently.

Of course, it goes without saying that we'd be in a much better position if we beat them – which I reckon we can, we're pretty good at nabbing a goal and defending for our lives this season – but I don't think it spells an end to our challenge if we get 2 points. Losing either would be awful, sure, but draw both and we could still see the least champion like champions ever to win the league.

[LDG]

Not only do we need to beat both Chelsea and City, we need to find some sort of form, because we are dire at the moment, and have been for some time (bar 25 mins against Bayern).

[Letters]

Agree we won't win on Saturday, if we get a draw then we're still in the race. I do feel we need to beat City though if we're going to have a chance.

[Letters]

Not only do we need to beat both Chelsea and City, we need to find some sort of form, because we are dire at the moment, and have been for some time (bar 25 mins against Bayern).

We were good against Everton too.