match reaction v chelsea

[RomfordPele]

Yep, Wenger out. The players who spent the whole day passing to chavs - in.

we had a big clear out lest year - same required this year. There's a core of good players here but still too much dross filling in the gaps. Hatchet, chequebook, harder attitudes and Diaby shipped to a hospital rather than living at our expense. Medical team's CVs properly checked and anyone who isn't qualified - out!

It is possible to criticise both wenger AND the players, y'know. It's kinda the manager who picks them, who trains them, who talks tactics with them, who gees them up before the game, isn't it?. And it's wenger who is the common denominator for the last 8 years of failure. I don't understand why you're so quick to defend him.

Yes, there is a kernel of quality in this squad, but I just don't see it realising its potential with wenger in a frontline managerial role. He clearly needs some help, and that means letting go and delegating a bit, as he did when dein was around.

[Power n Glory]

It is possible to criticise both wenger AND the players, y'know. It's kinda the manager who picks them, who trains them, who talks tactics with them, who gees them up before the game, isn't it?. And it's wenger who is the common denominator for the last 8 years of failure. I don't understand why you're so quick to defend him.

Yes, there is a kernel of quality in this squad, but I just don't see it realising its potential with wenger in a frontline managerial role. He clearly needs some help, and that means letting go and delegating a bit, as he did when dein was around.

It's the common denominator. Wenger is on the end of these beatings far too often and I can't accuse the players of not giving a fuck this season. It can't be that. We've rooted out all the players that wouldn't give us a 100%. All the players had a mare. The defence have been the difference for us this season until today and I can't really point fingers there and say we need to change personnel there. Ox and Cazorla were terrible and sloppy but you'd be a fool to say they should be off.

I think we got it tactically wrong. Ox isn't ready for midfield responsibility, Arteta doesn't have the legs to cover when we experiment like that and we played a suicidal backline.

It has to be nerves because the players all knew what was riding on this game and I they chocked. It's not as if we haven't seen other Wenger teams fall apart. Something went wrong (again) behind the scenes and we weren't ready for Chelsea.

[Özim]

It is possible to criticise both wenger AND the players, y'know. It's kinda the manager who picks them, who trains them, who talks tactics with them, who gees them up before the game, isn't it?. And it's wenger who is the common denominator for the last 8 years of failure. I don't understand why you're so quick to defend him.

Yes, there is a kernel of quality in this squad, but I just don't see it realising its potential with wenger in a frontline managerial role. He clearly needs some help, and that means letting go and delegating a bit, as he did when dein was around.

The players have to take some blame, however ultimately it's Wengers responsibility, he's the one that brough them in/developed them and motivates them, if they can't do the job properly then he's the only one who can take the blame for getting it wrong by buying them or picking them.

He's the guy that prepares them, he's the guy that picks the team, he's the guy that motivates them, he's the guy that sets up the tactics, the whole club is about Wenger and therefore these regular beatings by top clubs and our inability to ever beat them has to be down to him.

Time and time again we fail to deliver in big games, I've seen smaller clubs beat some of these big boys and yet we seem unable to ever produce one winning performance against them, that to me says there's something wrong.

This season we're supposedly better than last and yet we've been humbled 3 times by the top clubs, conceding 5 once and 6 twice, yes you occasionally see freak results but 3 times in one season is a disgrace, we use to get a beating like this once ever 10 years now we get several a season!

[Letters]

I'm not sure there's any point drawing any conclusions from today's shambles.
If we finish top 4 (we will) and win the FA Cup (we'd bloody better do) then it'll have been a good season.
The title was never plausible this season.

The thumpings away against the other sides in the top 4 is a concern though.

[Maestro]

To all the Wenger Outerites, don't pop a blood vessel and no need to worry yourselves.

Wenger will leave of his own accord at the end of this season, so relax!

[selassie]

I dunno. I think there are deep rooted issues at the club in terms of tactical organisation and how we prepare ourselves for the big games. Look, getting destroyed once by our rivals I will accept but getting routinely beaten like this? It's totally unacceptable. Why is this happening to us? What is it down to? Why does it keep on happening? It's an absolute disgrace IMHO.

In some ways I just couldn't believe what I was watching today, 3-0 down after 20 minutes? Defence all at sea, Midfield nowhere. It was horrific. I switched it off, couldn't take anymore of it, it literally was like watching a repeat of Liverpool.

This season so far has been so difficult to judge...I really am at a loss with this team.

[Maestro]

I dunno. I think there are deep rooted issues at the club in terms of tactical organisation and how we prepare ourselves for the big games. Look, getting destroyed once by our rivals I will accept but getting routinely beaten like this? It's totally unacceptable. Why is this happening to us? What is it down to? Why does it keep on happening? It's an absolute disgrace IMHO.

In some ways I just couldn't believe what I was watching today, 3-0 down after 20 minutes? Defence all at sea, Midfield nowhere. It was horrific. I switched it off, couldn't take anymore of it, it literally was like watching a repeat of Liverpool.

This season so far has been so difficult to judge...I really am at a loss with this team.

entirely agree, and after today i truly believe even Wenger is at a loss as well. He will leave, I am as certain as I can be. He's not just been beaten but humiliated by his peers and failed to counteract or come up with an answer. i think he knows the game is up.

[Globalgunner]

I hope he leaves because with him still here. Nothing, repeat nothing will change. The comfort of 4th place. Yes he will still keep delivering it, but more of chance than design. IF liverpool were this good last season we wouldnt have made it. If Ferguson had not resigned, we would not have made it. If the Spuds were not irremediably crap. We need the Wengerites to stop deluding themselves, standing still while others are moving forward is retrogressing. The reason we fail is mostly down to character in my opinion. Wenger has none of the right sort and he imbibes his players with his meekness. Which other team regularly takes batterings like this and shrugs it off. Only Wenger, because he knows no chairman is going to call him up the same evening and chew his ear off. This shit trickles downward, the players take it like water off ducks back. 4th place and job done. The ones that get tired, move on to better things. No point repeating the same stuff, we were here last season and so it will stay the same, The man Wenger prefers to stay wrong rather than change course and admit he was ever wrong.

[selassie]

entirely agree, and after today i truly believe even Wenger is at a loss as well. He will leave, I am as certain as I can be. He's not just been beaten but humiliated by his peers and failed to counteract or come up with an answer. i think he knows the game is up.

Unless Wenger makes major changes in both the way we set up ourselves for these games and the transfer market then I see no reason why he should be here next season.

Like you said Wenger has really been exposed this season in the big games, more so than ever before.

[Munchies]

I'm not sure there's any point drawing any conclusions from today's shambles.
If we finish top 4 (we will) and win the FA Cup (we'd bloody better do) then it'll have been a good season.
The title was never plausible this season.

The thumpings away against the other sides in the top 4 is a concern though.

It would've been plausible had he not fucked up in the summer and jan transfer windows.

Next season will be even more difficult. I don't want Wenger to oversee another transfer window for us.