match reaction v chelsea

[Niall_Quinn]

Another tennis score defeat. Good work lads.

Should have known what was going to happen when you scarpered off to a wedding. You could have warned us so we could have gone shopping with the missus rather than watch that shit. Some of us had offers for Waitrose, Morrisons, Poundstretcher - all spurned.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Should have known what was going to happen when you scarpered off to a wedding. You could have warned us so we could have gone shopping with the missus rather than watch that shit. Some of us had offers for Waitrose, Morrisons, Poundstretcher - all spurned.

I went to Londis. Very good too.

Rors kept me updated on the game but thankfully the wedding had concluded by then so I was not shouting oh fuck off when any objections had been asked.

[Newguy]

One thing i noticed in the game was...and it was crucial.

It was that Arteta just didnt have the legs

In all seriousness, I cannot, but more significantly will not support Arteta's involvement in the starting line up againt top 5 opposition. I dont think it can be denied that he needs replacing, he's too old, He never was a DM in the first place, so his limitations in this position are the managers doing.

Overall, Wenger is known for forcing square pegs into round holes, this has not changed. We have Ox playing in midfield centrally. Ok, this is acceptable against the lower teams but against the likes of chelsea and their manager it's just not tactically smart and Wenger knows it.

We need to win the FA Cup, Im just worried that the team will bottle that too.

Wenger said before the game that it was the most important game of the season.....we're 2 nil down after 8 minutes.

WTF does he say to these players???

[Globalgunner]

And you're a wanker riding on the coattails of PnG, pissed because some posters here won't throw their rattles and it has started to make you look like an arse. Oneupmanship? You mean in the race to call your own manager everything under the sun? I wouldn't dream of trying to compete with you in that particular competition, you win. But funnily enough, yes, "...have legs means he cant keep up a high tempo for a long time in a game. Not able to repeatedly chase runners, Not able to make up ground." That's what I said, PnG is talking about him not being quick. Entirely different things and without being able to figure it for yourself you're agreeing with me on the definitions. Obviously not in terms of how they are applied to Arteta because to say he can't keep up with the tempo of the game or repeatedly chase runners in pure bollocks. Now whether he catches the runners he's chasing - different matter entirely. Bottom line - learn to read.

Youre a legend in your own head. I quote you
"
You said he doesn't have legs - in the terminology of the game that means he can't stand the pace and can't cover the ground. It has nothing to do with being quick."
A tortoise can cover a marathon distance....eventually. Doesnt mean he has legs in the conventional sports context......You are a case..........Sad, just sad.

[Niall_Quinn]

One thing i noticed in the game was...and it was crucial.

It was that Arteta just didnt have the legs

In all seriousness, I cannot, but more significantly will not support Arteta's involvement in the starting line up againt top 5 opposition. I dont think it can be denied that he needs replacing, he's too old, He never was a DM in the first place, so his limitations in this position are the managers doing.

Overall, Wenger is known for forcing square pegs into round holes, this has not changed. We have Ox playing in midfield centrally. Ok, this is acceptable against the lower teams but against the likes of chelsea and their manager it's just not tactically smart and Wenger knows it.

We need to win the FA Cup, Im just worried that the team will bottle that too.

Wenger said before the game that it was the most important game of the season.....we're 2 nil down after 8 minutes.

WTF does he say to these players???

He could start by calling them gutless fucks - I would. Even if the manager fucks up the tactics, even if he told them to give the ball away, even if he told them to flop on the ground and whine like a bitch, even if he told them drop their heads the minute things started going against them - let's assume he told them all that as some are effectively claiming - you'd think the players would have enough personal pride to fight. They didn't. They didn't keep their heads, they let their heads drop, they embarrassed the club. But they are sure getting an easy ride the day after. It might be right to say the manager must take the flak, fair enough and that's certainly what's happening. But under all the huff and puff, the real worry is these players don't seem to have a set of balls. Do we think there's some magic manager out there who will help them grow a pair? Somebody who has more pride in them than they have in themselves?

[Niall_Quinn]

Youre a legend in your own head. I quote you
"
You said he doesn't have legs - in the terminology of the game that means he can't stand the pace and can't cover the ground. It has nothing to do with being quick."
A tortoise can cover a marathon distance....eventually. Doesnt mean he has legs in the conventional sports context......You are a case..........Sad, just sad.

Brave - posting without waiting to see what PnG has to say. Kudos.

Yes, a tortoise can cover lots of ground over many years. How much ground can he cover in 90 minutes though? Not much. And so why does Arteta emerge from those 90 minutes often having covered more ground and done more running than anyone else on the pitch? I'll give you a clue. He's not a tortoise. Or if that's too cryptic - Arteta has legs. Big fucking legs that churn away for the full 90 minutes, he does it better than anyone else in the squad which is why it's ludicrous some are criticising him for his best attribute and even more ludicrous you are just towed along when you haven't a clue what anyone is talking about.

[Marc Overmars]

He could start by calling them gutless fucks - I would. Even if the manager fucks up the tactics, even if he told them to give the ball away, even if he told them to flop on the ground and whine like a bitch, even if he told them drop their heads the minute things started going against them - let's assume he told them all that as some are effectively claiming - you'd think the players would have enough personal pride to fight. They didn't. They didn't keep their heads, they let their heads drop, they embarrassed the club. But they are sure getting an easy ride the day after. It might be right to say the manager must take the flak, fair enough and that's certainly what's happening. But under all the huff and puff, the real worry is these players don't seem to have a set of balls. Do we think there's some magic manager out there who will help them grow a pair? Somebody who has more pride in them than they have in themselves?

I agree the players are certainly not blameless and deserve every bit of criticism they get. The issue however is that this is not the first set of Arsenal players who have been labelled gutless, lacking balls etc. The only constant throughout that is Wenger hence the stick coming his way, some of which is harsh but ultimately is not baseless.

[Özim]

It might be right to say the manager must take the flak, fair enough and that's certainly what's happening. But under all the huff and puff, the real worry is these players don't seem to have a set of balls. Do we think there's some magic manager out there who will help them grow a pair? Somebody who has more pride in them than they have in themselves?

It's all down to motivation, hunger and desire, although some players have that, others need to get that from the manager and some manager's can instill this in them, Wenger isn't one of those, his successes relied on players who had a natural hunger to win and were leaders on the pitch.

When the players don't put in a shift it's down to the manager, they clearly lack the desire or don't believe.

[Özim]

I agree the players are certainly not blameless and deserve every bit of criticism they get. The issue however is that this is not the first set of Arsenal players who have been labelled gutless, lacking balls etc. The only constant throughout that is Wenger hence the stick coming his way, some of which is harsh but ultimately is not baseless.

Totally agree, we've seen this time and time again, either he's buying and bringing the wrong players in or he's just not able to inspire them and bring out that fighting spirit and never say die attitude, either way he's to blame in some form.

These powderpuff efforts in big games that matter are nothing new, it's been happening for years now with different groups of players, clearly there's a lack of hunger or belief somewhere, some of the smaller teams seem to have greater belief in their ability to beat the top sides than we do.

[Power n Glory]

One thing i noticed in the game was...and it was crucial.

It was that Arteta just didnt have the legs

In all seriousness, I cannot, but more significantly will not support Arteta's involvement in the starting line up againt top 5 opposition. I dont think it can be denied that he needs replacing, he's too old, He never was a DM in the first place, so his limitations in this position are the managers doing.

Overall, Wenger is known for forcing square pegs into round holes, this has not changed. We have Ox playing in midfield centrally. Ok, this is acceptable against the lower teams but against the likes of chelsea and their manager it's just not tactically smart and Wenger knows it.

We need to win the FA Cup, Im just worried that the team will bottle that too.

Wenger said before the game that it was the most important game of the season.....we're 2 nil down after 8 minutes.

WTF does he say to these players???

He's a limited player and it doesn't help when we put the wrong combo of players in the midfield.

No idea what Wenger says in the build up to the games but he needs to really sort their heads out for the coming games. They can't afford to dwell on this defeat but they also need to really learn from it. No lip service like what we heard last time from the Liverpool beating.