New manager

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not just half a season though, he did a fine job at Swansea too.

It really would have been interesting to see what would have happened with the fortunes of both clubs this season had Henry honoured Suarez's contract. Where do you think Liverpool would be in such a case, Rodgers and all? Where do you think we might be? Let's not make heroes out of people before they've had a chance to actually do something.

[Niall_Quinn]

No it's not just the interview it's the general attitude of the man, I've seen it enough over the last 9 years that I know about his belief in his team and how he goes about fixing problems and improving us and in my mind it's not adequate in any sense, whatever he does he always leaves us short or doesn't do the necessary with transfers and doesn't seem to motivate the players after heavy defeats or poor runs, it's not just this season this has been going on for the last 9 years, this season is just a repeat of the 8 before it.

Personal gain, well the whol cub has gained benefited financially, yes those that have left certainly, I wouldn't say Wenger specifically but he has also benefited just look at how much money he gets paid (I'm not saying this was his intention but it was a consequence), which IMO is too much for a club with our record in the last 8-9 years. You can argue that the people upstairs are happy with it as that was his target, but that just reinforces my point, 4th place = money and thus they are happy and don't fell the need to pressure the manager into more and ultimately he's also happy.

No getting almost regular beatings does though, this season it's been cricket scores (3 times), but this isn't new, there's been enough 4-0, 4-1 and unacceptable scorelines in recent times, this season is just the icing on the cake, we've sunk to new levels getting absolutely humiliated, though in Wenger's opinion it's just circustmances, he changes nothing, doesn't adapt and doesn't react to results like this and within a couple weeks they're irrelevant.

Results that embarrass the club like this aren't irrelevant, they need to be taken seriously, you may be able to put one an an accident but three in one season for any other manager at a top club that would be a sackable offence tbh.

It seems to me that even some of the fans now write off those results as a bad day at the office, it's almost like they never happened at all now and don't matter, they matter a lot and should be taken more seriously rather than written off, big teams don't get battered like this as often as this without there being serious issues somewhere.

The point being, we are not looking at a club where nothing has happened, we aren't even looking at a club where promises have been broken. Similarly we aren't looking at a club where all is well, there are problems. But why not address the problems as they are rather than magnify them to the extreme?

[Özim]

It really would have been interesting to see what would have happened with the fortunes of both clubs this season had Henry honoured Suarez's contract. Where do you think Liverpool would be in such a case, Rodgers and all? Where do you think we might be? Let's not make heroes out of people before they've had a chance to actually do something.

My opinion is that Rodgers is proving to be a good manager, he got Swansea promoted and turned them into an attacking team that played good football, he's done much the same with Liverpool and signed a few good players too.

His voice irritates the f*ck out of me, but he's a decent manager IMO.

[Özim]

The point being, we are not looking at a club where nothing has happened, we aren't even looking at a club where promises have been broken. Similarly we aren't looking at a club where all is well, there are problems. But why not address the problems as they are rather than magnify them to the extreme?

I'm just not convinced the manager will, there lies the issue for me I don't trust him to look at the situation, identify what needs to be resolved and resolve it. The reason I don't is due to the way he has handled things in the last 9 years, it seems to be more about players he likes that can play Wengerball rather than players the team needs, likewise tactics, it's about his philosophy rather than the opposition, this doesn't work for me.

This isn't just about spending money, it's the way he spends it, his tactics and inflexibility, if I believed he learnt from past mistakes and could adapt to a situation I'd be happy, I just don't.

[bunsco]

I'm just not convinced the manager will, there lies the issue for me I don't trust him to look at the situation, identify what needs to be resolved and resolve it. The reason I don't is due to the way he has handled things in the last 9 years, it seems to be more about players he likes that can play Wengerball rather than players the team needs, likewise tactics, it's about his philosophy rather than the opposition, this doesn't work for me.

This isn't just about spending money, it's the way he spends it, his tactics and inflexibility, if I believed he learn from past mistakes and could adapt to a situation I'd be happy, I just don't.

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[Power n Glory]

Enough with posting up curated content posing as analysis.

Stop reading it. It's not for you. You have a habit of posting up paranoid, long winded rants without any real substance or counter arguments.

[Globalgunner]

Stop reading it. It's not for you. You have a habit of posting up paranoid, long winded rants without any real substance or counter arguments.

Dont even bother, He`s a one issue man. Anything that denigrates Wenger must be fought venemously. If he cant win the argument he will go off on a tangent about some minor content in your post. He may be an old man, but there is an 11 year old working the levers there......

Basically in the world according to NQ
Stadium......Thanks to Wenger
Commercial deals........Wenger
Worldwide fanbase......Wenger
Training facilities.........Wenger
Best in class pitch.......Wenger

Shitty football and choking in big games......Thats the players

[Niall_Quinn]

Dont even bother, He`s a one issue man. Anything that denigrates Wenger must be fought venemously. If he cant win the argument he will go off on a tangent about some minor content in your post. He may be an old man, but there is an 11 year old working the levers there......

Basically in the world according to NQ
Stadium......Thanks to Wenger
Commercial deals........Wenger
Worldwide fanbase......Wenger
Training facilities.........Wenger
Best in class pitch.......Wenger

Shitty football and choking in big games......Thats the players

This is what I'm talking about PnG - made up shit spun up to the extreme but devoid of serious analysis. It's first necessary to filter the idiots out if you want a meaningful debate. This guy here and the guy who curated a bunch of nonsense (counter arguments provided - read again) haven't a clue what they are talking about - they just parrot whatever is the loudest shit available at any given moment.

[Globalgunner]

This is what I'm talking about PnG - made up shit spun up to the extreme but devoid of serious analysis. It's first necessary to filter the idiots out if you want a meaningful debate. This guy here and the guy who curated a bunch of nonsense (counter arguments provided - read again) haven't a clue what they are talking about - they just parrot whatever is the loudest shit available at any given moment.

There`s nothing made up about. That is you in a nutshell. Everything in that post is extracted from your rants in recent weeks. As soon as Swansea scored. You piped up.....That s the players letting the coach down. See how shit like that comes to bite you in the derriere? . Take a look and see how a team fighting for survival are putting up a better effort than Wengers weaklings against Mourinho`s boys

[Dein-machine]

Bringing in trial managers to see if they are any good at the top level? That's even worse than signing players on potential when we need real experience, isn't it? We can hardly afford a well intentioned disaster over the next couple of seasons. If Wenger goes then it will have to be a top coach who has done the business at the very top level who replaces him, anything else would be potentially chucking away the footholds we have suffered to gain.

Did you say the same when you heard we were bringing in someone we've never heard of from Japan all those years ago?