match reaction v citeh

[Özim]

I know where we are, a million miles away from the top sides that's why we've collapsed and taken some heavy beatings something almost unheard of pre-Wenger.

[Letters]

underhand digs like you've just made irritate me.

The constant digs you make at the manager, players and club you say you support are kinda irritating too
Meanwhile you fawn over the players and managers of other clubs.

You have no idea what being an Arsenal fan is about and this is not an 'I'm a better fan than you because I go to games', I don't go to games any more. But I do get behind the team and don't spend all my time moaning about our bad results and finding any excuse to belittle our good ones.

[Bumble]

I suppose the only difference between us and Chelsea is that at home we have only beaten Liverpool whereas they have beaten us city Liverpool and United. It's bridging that gap at home.

[Özim]

The constant digs you make at the manager, players and club you say you support are kinda irritating too
Meanwhile you fawn over the players and managers of other clubs.

You have no idea what being an Arsenal fan is about and this is not an 'I'm a better fan than you because I go to games', I don't go to games any more. But I do get behind the team and don't spend all my time moaning about our bad results and finding any excuse to belittle our good ones.

I'm entitled to have an opinion on them, especially after 9 years of what I regard failure and a manager who clearly isn't up to the job (unless you rate 4th place as some sort of achievement which I don't).

Yesterday's result was a draw at home, not a win, this after a month of some awful results (as predicted by many, though maybe not by cricket scores), yesterday's result does f*ck all to change that, it's a draw, one point in our goal for 4th place, WHOOPEEF*CKINGDOO! The draw really doesn't give me much pleasure and why should it when we actually needed a win not a draw.

As for being a fan, you're not the fan police so who are you to decide what it is to be or not be a fan?

I'm not impressed with how this season has gone, you might be but I'm not and for me enough is enough change is needed especially after 9 years of this nonsense. Since December we've been average at best, we've have two hard runs of games and been blown out of the water in both and we're still hearing the same noises from a manager in total denial, I'm sorry but for me that's just not good enough, you can always predict what is going to happen to us and it always pans out as we expect it.

[IBK]

I'm entitled to have an opinion on them, especially after 9 years of what I regard failure and a manager who clearly isn't up to the job (unless you rate 4th place as some sort of achievement which I don't).

Yesterday's result was a draw at home, not a win, this after a month of some awful results (as predicted by many, though maybe not by cricket scores), yesterday's result does f*ck all to change that, it's a draw, one point in our goal for 4th place, WHOOPEEF*CKINGDOO! The draw really doesn't give me much pleasure and why should it when we actually needed a win not a draw.

As for being a fan, you're not the fan police so who are you to decide what it is to be or not be a fan?

I'm not impressed with how this season has gone, you might be but I'm not and for me enough is enough change is needed especially after 9 years of this nonsense. Since December we've been average at best, we've have two hard runs of games and been blown out of the water in both and we're still hearing the same noises from a manager in total denial, I'm sorry but for me that's just not good enough, you can always predict what is going to happen to us and it always pans out as we expect it.

Zimm. you are hard to please, but you have always been consistent - and as regards your scepticism about the team for the past few years - the basic truth is that you have mostly been proven right. We played surprisingly well yesterday - but those who are using this as an 'I told you so' to the doubters need to remember that this was only a point at home against a good Citeh side. Liverpool will be disappointed if they don't win against them at Anfield. A sense of relief that this team has still got the ability to respond under pressure does not, IMO, mean that there has been any real change in a team that has been in this position (as regards playing for 4th) for almost all of our trophyless years.

[LDG]

Nobody is saying I told you so.

We all know there are problems.

[IBK]

I'm entitled to have an opinion on them, especially after 9 years of what I regard failure and a manager who clearly isn't up to the job (unless you rate 4th place as some sort of achievement which I don't).

Yesterday's result was a draw at home, not a win, this after a month of some awful results (as predicted by many, though maybe not by cricket scores), yesterday's result does f*ck all to change that, it's a draw, one point in our goal for 4th place, WHOOPEEF*CKINGDOO! The draw really doesn't give me much pleasure and why should it when we actually needed a win not a draw.

As for being a fan, you're not the fan police so who are you to decide what it is to be or not be a fan?

I'm not impressed with how this season has gone, you might be but I'm not and for me enough is enough change is needed especially after 9 years of this nonsense. Since December we've been average at best, we've have two hard runs of games and been blown out of the water in both and we're still hearing the same noises from a manager in total denial, I'm sorry but for me that's just not good enough, you can always predict what is going to happen to us and it always pans out as we expect it.

The worrying thing is that we pretty much never confound our critics. Letters is right - fans should get behind their team. But my God - if any fans have stuck by their team and manager these past few years it has been Gooners. As fans, we have seen our bragging rights eroded to a miserable extent. And we have believed in all the promises that have been made. Wenger has done much for our club, and he deserves our gratitude - but he has benefited from us as well - and any fan is entitled to take the view that Zimm does.

[IBK]

Nobody is saying I told you so.

We all know there are problems.

Ok - poetic license! But I think what we are criticising Zimm of is his pessimistic viewpoint, not his validity?

[LDG]

The worrying thing is that we pretty much never confound our critics. Letters is right - fans should get behind their team. But my God - if any fans have stuck by their team and manager these past few years it has been Gooners. As fans, we have seen our bragging rights eroded to a miserable extent. And we have believed in all the promises that have been made. Wenger has done much for our club, and he deserves our gratitude - but he has benefited from us as well - and any fan is entitled to take the view that Zimm does.

Lots of fans take the stance of zimm in respect of Wenger, and I fully understand those views.

But they hold those views and will still back their team in a tribal way. i.e rally against any rival piss taking, stand up to supposed bias (whether biased or not), hate on refs, show passion and strangely enough, appear happy when we win or do well!

[Niall_Quinn]

Nobody is saying I told you so.

We all know there are problems.

Second that.

Interesting that people go on about Wenger not signing a striker and costing us the title. So does that mean we are a signing away from being genuine title contenders? In which case, how can Wenger have done such an awful job? And what's wrong with waiting to see if he signs a striker in the summer - considering he put in a totally legit bid for the best striker around last summer?

There's little logic in the arguments of those blaming Wenger for everything.