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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    David Dein gave a good interview ahead of Wenger's ill-fated 1000th game. He said they always go out for dinner after home games unless we've lost because then Wenger's no company at all. It clearly bothers him. Whether he's able to do anything about it is a different matter.
    There's clearly been some financial restrictions on him although I also believe some have been self-inflicted too. There seems to have been a longer term plan and you look at his net spend over his whole time with us it's remarkable how he's kept us up there.
    He should, of course, have won some trophies in the last 9 years too and I see the FA Cup this year as his last chance to deliver. You can accuse him of many things but not being bothered isn't one of them, there's a physical change in him when things aren't going well, it clearly affects him deeply.
    Please stop trying to distort the truth. What is net spend. Wenger has had plenty to spend and no one can believe that a mortgage of 24m per year has resticted us frtom spending when at the same time we have an annual wage bill of over 130m and the manager himself is paid over 7m. The net spend is an irrelevant figure because it is distorted by the massive payouts we have got from selling stars like Le sulk, Overmars, Henry, Fabregas et al. We have plenty of money, CVertainly not as much as the erstwhile top 3 but more than any of the other 16 teams,

    What is the putrpose of a sporting enterprise. Is it not to fulfil its fans expectations or to horde money like some character from the Merchant of Venice. We are sitting on 120m, more than any other sporting franchise in the world perhaps, Instead of maximising our potential on the pitch we shore up money while pretending to be broke. Wenger doesnt spend because it strokes his ego more to be known as the economic miracle worker than the all conquering manager. He knows he cant win the big titles so he has created one for himself. The big players he sold...All the ones who left aftert 2005 abandoned him because his method was never going to win them titles....They all say it even Flamini, who came back after success at Milan.

    So he is upset when he loses..Throws a water bottle about!....So do something about it. Gird yourself with the best tools you can find to win and let others worry about the bank balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Please stop trying to distort the truth. What is net spend. Wenger has had plenty to spend and no one can believe that a mortgage of 24m per year has resticted us frtom spending when at the same time we have an annual wage bill of over 130m and the manager himself is paid over 7m. The net spend is an irrelevant figure because it is distorted by the massive payouts we have got from selling stars like Le sulk, Overmars, Henry, Fabregas et al. We have plenty of money, CVertainly not as much as the erstwhile top 3 but more than any of the other 16 teams,

    What is the putrpose of a sporting enterprise. Is it not to fulfil its fans expectations or to horde money like some character from the Merchant of Venice. We are sitting on 120m, more than any other sporting franchise in the world perhaps, Instead of maximising our potential on the pitch we shore up money while pretending to be broke. Wenger doesnt spend because it strokes his ego more to be known as the economic miracle worker than the all conquering manager. He knows he cant win the big titles so he has created one for himself. The big players he sold...All the ones who left aftert 2005 abandoned him because his method was never going to win them titles....They all say it even Flamini, who came back after success at Milan.

    So he is upset when he loses..Throws a water bottle about!....So do something about it. Gird yourself with the best tools you can find to win and let others worry about the bank balance.
    - this 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Please stop trying to distort the truth. What is net spend. Wenger has had plenty to spend and no one can believe that a mortgage of 24m per year has resticted us frtom spending when at the same time we have an annual wage bill of over 130m and the manager himself is paid over 7m. The net spend is an irrelevant figure because it is distorted by the massive payouts we have got from selling stars like Le sulk, Overmars, Henry, Fabregas et al. We have plenty of money, CVertainly not as much as the erstwhile top 3 but more than any of the other 16 teams,

    What is the putrpose of a sporting enterprise. Is it not to fulfil its fans expectations or to horde money like some character from the Merchant of Venice. We are sitting on 120m, more than any other sporting franchise in the world perhaps, Instead of maximising our potential on the pitch we shore up money while pretending to be broke. Wenger doesnt spend because it strokes his ego more to be known as the economic miracle worker than the all conquering manager. He knows he cant win the big titles so he has created one for himself. The big players he sold...All the ones who left aftert 2005 abandoned him because his method was never going to win them titles....They all say it even Flamini, who came back after success at Milan.

    So he is upset when he loses..Throws a water bottle about!....So do something about it. Gird yourself with the best tools you can find to win and let others worry about the bank balance.
    yes!

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    How am I doing that?

    Net spend cannot be distorted, it is what it is

    We do have plenty of money compared with many clubs but there is no doubt that the stadium move and poor financial deals have affected us. I'm not just making this up, in the aforementioned interview with Dein he says how we had to "beg, steal and borrow" to meet wage demands.

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    Net spend does not reflect our spending power. Most of what we have bought in the last 8 years has either been rubbish or we turned formerly good players, coveted all over Europe into turds. In the same time we have sold Ade, Nasri, Fabregas RVP, all for huge amounts, while buying Squillaci, Sylvester, Santos, Gervinho. When I realised than Wenger is infuriatingly ego driven is when he bought Koscielny for 10m while passing up Cahill 6 months earlier in January. By most fair estimations these 2 players are as good as each other. However Cahill was available for about 8m....Wenger offered 6m which Bolton promptly turned down, holding out for 8m. He didnt go for Cahill because every paper in the country suggested him as a solution to our defensive problems. No glory for the manager in that purchase, then.

    the difference is that Cahill was keen to come was PL ready and needed no acclimatisation. Instead Koscielny came, had a nightmare 1st season and may have singlehandedly cost us the CC. If Wenger had spent the extra 2m, he might have that and the narrative would be 5 years without a trophy, not 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Net spend does not reflect our spending power. Most of what we have bought in the last 8 years has either been rubbish or we turned formerly good players, coveted all over Europe into turds. In the same time we have sold Ade, Nasri, Fabregas RVP, all for huge amounts, while buying Squillaci, Sylvester, Santos, Gervinho. When I realised than Wenger is infuriatingly ego driven is when he bought Koscielny for 10m while passing up Cahill 6 months earlier in January. By most fair estimations these 2 players are as good as each other. However Cahill was available for about 8m....Wenger offered 6m which Bolton promptly turned down, holding out for 8m. He didnt go for Cahill because every paper in the country suggested him as a solution to our defensive problems. No glory for the manager in that purchase, then.

    the difference is that Cahill was keen to come was PL ready and needed no acclimatisation. Instead Koscielny came, had a nightmare 1st season and may have singlehandedly cost us the CC. If Wenger had spent the extra 2m, he might have that and the narrative would be 5 years without a trophy, not 9
    Agreed - the same again when every pundit,paper,Arsenal/Non-Arsenal fan in the world suggested we needed some pace & goals upfront in the Jan window because apart from the fact Giroud is poo, we had also lost the goal threat of Rambo & Theo - he did nothing, sorry I'm wrong - he bought an old midfielder with a bad back for nothing. The fact that he doesn't do the obvious when everyone else can see it can only be his ego & his "I'll do it my way" attitude. He simply won't be told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Net spend does not reflect our spending power. Most of what we have bought in the last 8 years has either been rubbish or we turned formerly good players, coveted all over Europe into turds. In the same time we have sold Ade, Nasri, Fabregas RVP, all for huge amounts, while buying Squillaci, Sylvester, Santos, Gervinho. When I realised than Wenger is infuriatingly ego driven is when he bought Koscielny for 10m while passing up Cahill 6 months earlier in January. By most fair estimations these 2 players are as good as each other. However Cahill was available for about 8m....Wenger offered 6m which Bolton promptly turned down, holding out for 8m. He didnt go for Cahill because every paper in the country suggested him as a solution to our defensive problems. No glory for the manager in that purchase, then.

    the difference is that Cahill was keen to come was PL ready and needed no acclimatisation. Instead Koscielny came, had a nightmare 1st season and may have singlehandedly cost us the CC. If Wenger had spent the extra 2m, he might have that and the narrative would be 5 years without a trophy, not 9
    Wasnt Koscielny bought in 2010 while Cahill was sold to Chelsea in Janury 2012?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Net spend does not reflect our spending power. Most of what we have bought in the last 8 years has either been rubbish or we turned formerly good players, coveted all over Europe into turds. In the same time we have sold Ade, Nasri, Fabregas RVP, all for huge amounts, while buying Squillaci, Sylvester, Santos, Gervinho. When I realised than Wenger is infuriatingly ego driven is when he bought Koscielny for 10m while passing up Cahill 6 months earlier in January. By most fair estimations these 2 players are as good as each other. However Cahill was available for about 8m....Wenger offered 6m which Bolton promptly turned down, holding out for 8m. He didnt go for Cahill because every paper in the country suggested him as a solution to our defensive problems. No glory for the manager in that purchase, then.

    the difference is that Cahill was keen to come was PL ready and needed no acclimatisation. Instead Koscielny came, had a nightmare 1st season and may have singlehandedly cost us the CC. If Wenger had spent the extra 2m, he might have that and the narrative would be 5 years without a trophy, not 9
    Koscielny was handed the club's number 6 shirt. Arsenal fans voted Laurent Koscielny as Arsène Wenger’s most effective signing of 2010–11 following an impressive debut campaign

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    with cahill, I'm fairly sure we bid 8 million, the bolton chairman then retweeted a fan on twitter calling Arsene a bellend and then six months later sold him for 8 million. not quite sure what else we could have done.

    besides, Koscienly is much better anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist View Post
    with cahill, I'm fairly sure we bid 8 million, the bolton chairman then retweeted a fan on twitter calling Arsene a bellend and then six months later sold him for 8 million. not quite sure what else we could have done.

    besides, Koscienly is much better anyway.


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