The Bitter Truth?

[GP]

HCZ has crushed it. Awesome posting.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What a pointless debate going on... similar to the debate or comment about having Ramsey killed after last season

To be honest Ramsey isn't suddenly world class or anywhere near worth what he's being paid...but yes he's made a significant stride forward from last season. One because he's no longer being played in a deeper role because he can't track back or tackle, and two fair play to him when he has played he has worked his nuts off to counteract the fact that he isn't as technically gifted (anywhere near in fact) as those around him.
Very similar to Jordan Henderson, Henderson has been under pressure to justify his 20m price tag which of course he can never do because he doesn't have the natural ability or quality in his game, but he runs and runs and runs and works hard and it pays off for him.
Obviously Ramsey has to do a bit more in other areas because he can't run as he is too slow but there are definite parallels.

[IBK]

You are deluded if you think that, our squad is wafer thin and we have Giroud leading our line with no able replacements. I agree that Wenger should have done better than the humiliation we suffered but there's no denying that in the games against Liverpool, Chelsea and Everton their starting xi was vastly superior to our own especially in an attacking sense

I'm sorry. But if you really think that we would not have picked up more points so far with a manager able to exploit his oppositions' weakness; to make bold tactical decisions, and to bring the best out of our players - a number of whom have been below par recently - then it is you who may be deluded.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

look at the xi we put out against liverpool, chelsea and everton.....i think with maybe the exception of everton you are hard pushed to say it was possible for us to get anything from those games. I agree the scorelines and the way we played is unacceptable, no fight, no gameplan etc but chances are we still would have been beaten simply because the teams they put out were just much better than ours....liverpool going forward especially, chelsea all over the park seeing as by that time we'd lost wilshere, ozil etc to injury and by the time we played everton we looked leggy and didn't physically have it in the players we had to not be pulled about by their attacking three.
It doesn't really matter in the final analysis whether you lose 5-1 or 1-0 you are not getting any more points for the credibility of your performance.

[IBK]

Totally agree, we have a horrible way of overpaying players who've done nothing, we've got a host of crocks we keep on our books and constantly offer new contracts too, we bring in unheard of kids and overpay them, we overpay players like Wilshere who's repuation is based on a handful of games, it has to stop. I don't mind us paying top class proven players big money as they have shown what they can do but not players who have potential because 90% of the time they never reach their potential.

Bang on. Our overall wage bill dwarfs Liverpool's or Everton's - even (I think) Sp*ds'. Wenger's wage parity obsession over the years has left us unable to apportion money where its due. And too many of our players appear comfortable and not hungry.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

but if you can't afford squad depth you can't rotate players, of course wenger has taken this to absurd lengths like playing Ozil against coventry city etc

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Bang on. Our overall wage bill dwarfs Liverpool's or Everton's - even (I think) Sp*ds'. Wenger's wage parity obsession over the years has left us unable to apportion money where its due. And too many of our players appear comfortable and not hungry.

Liverpool have a bigger wage bill than us, and our wage bill is cripplingly us two thirds of our turnover goes on wages. It's the way the game is, you cannot be both a football club and a business....that's why FFP is illogical because you cannot punish every single club that spends beyond what they generate because too many do.....they simply have to because of the obscene money in wages.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Liverpool have a bigger wage bill than us

Source?

[IBK]

but if you can't afford squad depth you can't rotate players, of course wenger has taken this to absurd lengths like playing Ozil against coventry city etc

No - but you can play them more sensibly. Wenger is not bold enough to rest Kosceilny by playing Vermaelen - who might have been kept fresher and more interested by being played a bit, even without injury. Wenger kept playing Ramsey - even when he was clearly in the red zone - when an Ox experiment in the middle with Ozil still controlling our shape might have been a better introduction than lately. Gnabry - who had done nothing wrong when he did play - could have been used to relieve the first teamers. And you can rest players by judicious substitutions, but you ain't going to do it at 70 or 80 mins with the team under pressure....

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Source?

I just posted earlier what your players were on.
Arguably i don't think there is a great deal in it, but none of our players are on 200k a week.
And you have a higher number of players in the 70-80k a week bracket than us.