Originally Posted by Özim
What are you saying it wasn't and that West Ham do have something to play for?
We're at home against a smaller club, West Ham are safe from relegation, please tell me which part of my statement isn't true?
It's obviously true but it's textbook Zim.
We had a tough game on Saturday which went to extra time. It was a chance to go back above Everton and put a bit of pressure on.
If we'd lost or drawn it would have been all "we bottled it" or similar.
We win so it's all dismissive.
Yes, it's a game we should have won but we did and by all accounts played well in the 2nd half. But hey, any chance to have another dig at Wenger. You were WUMming throughout the match thread, you're doing the same here.
I'm not that impressed with a result I expected us to get tbh, had we not won it yes I'd have been annoyed as I fully expected us to win this, it's the same old same old fight for 4th place which we'll invariably get, but 4th place really means little to me so it doesn't get any brownie points.
Frankly I'm pretty tired and underwhelmed by anything Wenger's team does these days, I know how this is going to go, we'll get a few results and he'll preach in the summer about how well we've done, it's all very predictable....the truth is since December we've largely been average thus a few good results at the end of the season won't change much for me.
Oh and Giroud may have scored a goal, but it really doesn't make up for the fact he's a very average player and nowhere near the 1st team, I hope he leaves in the summer, he won't of course because Wenger loves him for some odd reason, Podolski isn't perfect but at least he's a goal threat.
Last edited by Özim; 16-04-2014 at 09:08 AM.
Understand your feelings & frustrations because I have them aswell but the difference for me is that we have been playing such shit football for a while now & I don't expect to win these games. If we play crap football in the last 4 games & fail to make top 4 then its "hat's off" to Everton, they've played better football then us recently & have a manager who makes a mockery of the idiots who think that longevity is a must when it comes to success as a manager. They would simply deserve it - the league table doesn't lie. However, for the 1st time in a long time I was pleased with our 2nd half performance & with Rambo & Ozil back I hope we can continue playing at a faster pace & with players making forward runs. If we do & use Ox in a Theo type role we could finish the season strongly. Then because of our 1st half of the season, we would deserve our place in the top 4. If Wenger decides to play Flamini & Arteta together again in his pathetic negative style then we won't win these games & will deservedly finish out of the top 4. He completely ruined our momentum earlier in the season by trying to play defensively & because he never learns his lesson it wouldn't surprise me if he does it again.
So you wouldn't see the FA Cup as any progress or a step in the right direction?
I will love us winning the FA Cup, but seeing how our league season has gone is deja vu for me.
I wouldn't have a problem with things if I could see it changing next season, I just don't believe it will, Wenger is a manager who has too much belief in something that hasn't really worked and doesn't seem to have the flexibility in his approach to change and that's where the big issue is.
It's pretty clear we need to make certain changes in the summer, a change in style of play to something more pacey and a few key signings, but does anyone actually believe Wenger will do what we need, I really don't.
I can't watch another collapse, I expect it but that doesn't mean I want it to happen and yet it happens time and time again, I don't think he's able to setup his teams to last the distance in the big competitions, there's something they're missing he just doesn't seem able to give them.
Just like the media that keep repeating the 'trophy draught' headlines, I think you misunderstand why Arsenal fans are frustrated with the manager and club. It's not just about silverware.
No, it's not just about silverware but that is a part of it as it's linked to the idea that we bottle it on the big occasion and can't finish the job.
If we win the FA Cup then it will show we can finish the job which could be a springboard to further progress.
We won the match its true but then again we should. We have won all 6 of our previous matches against the Hammers so winning was expected and also much needed, but given the current circumstances, where we are in a life or death battle with Everton for 4th. It was a good performance. We need to step up and win all our remaining games. Its not a dig at Wenger to lament the position we find ourselves in, simply a sad indictment of our policies that has brought us here.
I think the last thing any true fan would want is another season like this
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