Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Power n Glory]

Have a word pal.

Where have I slagged off any poster? Where in my post did I do that?

You're the one pointing fingers, so perhaps you need to have a look at yourself.

Well said.

Whilst most of us agree that his time is at an end, it still disgusts me the vitriol, shit and internet spew being showered on him.

How can you call yourself a fan of a club, when your first priority is to slag off anything and everything about us?

Yes Wenger needs to go. Yes, he is guilty of stagnating. But he has also, lets not forget, kept us from slipping into a different part of the table, using the very strengths we praised him for in his early tenure.

Time for a fresh face to build on the solid foundations. But I can't tell you how nausiating it is to be associated with the filth who sit behind their keyboards throwing turds, with such little knowledge of football to back it up. Opinion is one thing. Being able to articulate it is another. And if you have nothing positive to say, just fuck off will ya.

Sorry, bud! But why did the conversation have to go down that route for this thread?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Because people on this board are unable to think in shades of grey, i got called a wenger apologist when i have questioned (and still do) how much money this club actually has to spend, when you factor in how obscene transfer wages and player wages are in the modern game?.
What does that even have to do with AW's competence as manager would be my response?

[Letters]

Because people on this board are unable to think in shades of grey

Innit. It completely baffles me.

Most people are more anti-Wenger than pro these days but if you're not calling Wenger every name under the sun you're defending him to the hilt no matter what happens.

I can understand it a bit more in the heat of the moment during or immediately after a game but in the cold light of day it's pretty weird.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Innit. It completely baffles me.

Most people are more anti-Wenger than pro these days but if you're not calling Wenger every name under the sun you're defending him to the hilt no matter what happens.

I can understand it a bit more in the heat of the moment during or immediately after a game but in the cold light of day it's pretty weird.

I agree with everything you say other than Innit, that kind of vernacular is not becoming of a moderator

[Globalgunner]

The failure to buy a proper striker at the start and at the crunch mid season period is a fatal flaw in Wengers approach. Plus his reluctance/unwillingness to get the best out of Podolski. Its all been beatern to death though, The only issue is will anything change if he is still here next season?

[IBK]

Because people on this board are unable to think in shades of grey, i got called a wenger apologist when i have questioned (and still do) how much money this club actually has to spend, when you factor in how obscene transfer wages and player wages are in the modern game?.
What does that even have to do with AW's competence as manager would be my response?

I'm glad you have raised this point, because recent data has cast doubt on your financial observations about the club.

Only a fool would argue that Citeh and the Chavs do not have an overwhelming, and unfair advantage over everyone else when it comes to buying success. For all their debt - Manure have pretty much remained competitive with these 2 in terms of how much they can pay in transfer fees. But below that, I simply cannot accept that we have been operating at a significant financial disadvantage. This week's publication of the ESPN The Magazine and Sportingintelligence figures show us 11th in the list of highest salary payers in the world (figures given are average annual wage figures).

1 (1) Manchester City, EPL 8,109,912
2 (5) New York Yankees, MLB 8,031,948
3 (2) Los Angeles Dodgers, MLB 7,778,336
4 (3) Real Madrid, La Liga 7,586,438
5 (4) Barcelona, La Liga 7,446,562
6 (16) Brooklyn Nets, NBA 6,814,067
7 (9) Bayern Munich, Bundesliga 6,689,311
8 (12) Manchester United, EPL 6,566,775
9 (19) Chicago Bulls, NBA 6,055,463
10 (8) Chelsea, EPL 6,053,686
11 (15) Arsenal, EPL 5,928,172
12 (20) NY Knicks, NBA 5,867,808
13 (14) Detroit Tigers, MLB 5,824,233
14 (11) Philadelphia Phillies, MLB 5,791,002
15 (22) Boston Red Sox, MLB 5,717,792
16 (17) Miami Heat, NBA 5,568,543
17 (23) San Francisco Giants, MLB 5,490,339
18 (35) Juventus, Serie A 5,336,821
19 (7) LA Lakers, NBA 5,182,926
20 (21) Liverpool, EPL 5,171,351

As can be seen, we are only just behind Chelsea, and 800K ahead of Liverpool. Now I know that this ignores transfer spending - and that is where we have a more legitimate claim to have been relative paupers these past few years - but Rogers has spent 100M on transfers since he has been at Liverpool - and while I haven't checked, I would imagine that we have spent at least this much (for these purposes, net spend is irrelevant).

Bottom line is that IMHO our league position for the past decade has pretty much equated to our relative spend. For me, this simply does not justify the Wenger 'apologists' as you claim to have been labelled. Wenger has done no better than he could have been expected to given our club's spend. Clubs like Liverpool and Everton have undoubtedly exceeded expectations.

As for 'shades of grey' - yes I too find it a bit frustrating not so much that many posters on here see things in black and white ('extreme' positions make for lively debate) - but that relatively few people (not a reference to you as such), will never amend their views even when presented with really good arguments from others.

[Power n Glory]

Because people on this board are unable to think in shades of grey, i got called a wenger apologist when i have questioned (and still do) how much money this club actually has to spend, when you factor in how obscene transfer wages and player wages are in the modern game?.
What does that even have to do with AW's competence as manager would be my response?

That's an issue we disagree on. I think we're in a healthy position and should adjust our wage bill. But we've been over that and I know you're not a Wenger apologist. These labels shouldn't be thrown around even if we do disagree on certain aspects of the club.

[LDG]

Sorry, bud! But why did the conversation have to go down that route for this thread?

I dunno, but I was responding to a post someone else made, so why don't you ask them?