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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    I dunno, there always seems to be some sort of excuse for Wenger, it's a case of "yes this didn't work out but, he has done this"
    Well yes, there are always shades of grey. It's not excusing anything, it's just analysing things critically rather than taking a simple-minded black and white view of everything.

    Literally no-one posts on here as if Wenger can do no wrong.
    Some people do post as if everything he does is wrong.

    We haven't won anything for 9 years, that doesn't mean the whole 9 years have been an abject failure.
    Wenger clearly has some failings, that doesn't mean he's a complete incompetent who can't do anything right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Well yes, there are always shades of grey. It's not excusing anything, it's just analysing things critically rather than taking a simple-minded black and white view of everything.

    Literally no-one posts on here as if Wenger can do no wrong.
    Some people do post as if everything he does is wrong.

    We haven't won anything for 9 years, that doesn't mean the whole 9 years have been an abject failure.
    Wenger clearly has some failings, that doesn't mean he's a complete incompetent who can't do anything right.
    Zimm has wanted Wenger gone for 5 years but I'm not sure that he has claimed that Wenger is an abject failure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    Zimm has wanted Wenger gone for 5 years but I'm not sure that he has claimed that Wenger is an abject failure?
    I seriously can't remember the last time I saw him say anything the slightest bit positive about him. As I've said in this thread he goes out of his way to find something to criticise him for even when there are, at best, very flimsy reasons for doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I seriously can't remember the last time I saw him say anything the slightest bit positive about him. As I've said in this thread he goes out of his way to find something to criticise him for even when there are, at best, very flimsy reasons for doing so.
    I don't go out of my way, I have postive things to say about players and occasionally matches, but I'm underwhelmed with our displays on the whole, I don't even really like our football much, the few times we've played counter attack it's been much better though.

    I don't have much positivity with regards Wenger though, that's what 9 years of the same thing does, he undoes most of the good work he does in the space of a few months IMO with strange and poor management decisions.

    I've made it clear I want him out now, I'm not sure why I should be offering titbits of praise when I'd be contradicting what I feel. As a top level manager I just don't rate him anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I seriously can't remember the last time I saw him say anything the slightest bit positive about him. As I've said in this thread he goes out of his way to find something to criticise him for even when there are, at best, very flimsy reasons for doing so.
    Wenger hasn’t made it easy for himself. In January 2010 he admits to overplaying Cesc and we’ll investigate the cause for so many injuries. 4 years down the line and he’s still mystified by our injury problem and has some wild theory about hair products. What are we to conclude from that? If he’s not incompetent (harsh words, I know) then what’s going on? I don’t know what else to conclude. He knows he’s overplaying players but won’t rest them or buy to ease the burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    I don't go out of my way.
    We won 3-0. It was a good result and performance. Wenger makes a perfectly reasonable comment and you take the opportunity to criticise him for being biased towards the team he manages
    Every bloody manager is biased towards the team he manages.

    So yeah, you really do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    We won 3-0. It was a good result and performance. Wenger makes a perfectly reasonable comment and you take the opportunity to criticise him for being biased towards the team he manages
    Every bloody manager is biased towards the team he manages.

    So yeah, you really do.
    Again no, it was a decent result but let's not go over the top it wasn't like we were playing a top team, moreover we have dropped from 1st to 4th with no chance of any higher position in a short space of time so there results are somewhat underwhelming now (already said 4th is meaningless to me).

    All he had to say was it wasn't a foul in his opinion, I'd have been fine with that, it's when he mentioned the 70 yard thing and thus this being totally unrelated to the goal it bugged me, simply because he says this but when it happens to him that's not an issue.

    Yeah his interviews do irritate me, they're full of contradictions, blind faith and delusional statements about his team, the problem with this is that as a fan it's pretty tiresome to hear the manager of a team who have collapsed every season for as long as you can remember remain in complete denial, as long as this happens you know nothing will ever change and that is frustrating to say the least. People complain when other manager's/pundits say things about Wenger, but actually he does himself no favours with his post match comments.

    IMO Wenger gets a really easy ride, he's had almost unparalled support from the club and fans over the years, he still does, there isn't another big club in the world he'd have lasted this long in the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Aye, whatever.

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