Vermaelen Surgery?

[Niall_Quinn]

We can ask Bolton to give us loan deal for cahill

That would be our style. We could even ask then to pay for the taxi and then bum a smoke from them.

[Cripps_orig]

This:



is WUMming. You were alive when Stephanos played for us...

Stepanovs was better than him.

Ive said as much in previous threads yet the 6-1 back in 2001 is always used against him by people who conveniently forget the 9/10 games in a row he played the season after partnering Sol with Adams and Keown injured and he did very well. He was also fine before the 6-1

Will the 8-2 defeat be used against Kos the same way? Bear in mind hes been largely shit before that game as well unlike the Latvian before the 6-1

[Cripps_orig]

We can ask Bolton to give us loan deal for cahill

We'll get him in Jan.

And if not then Wenger has to walk

[Niall_Quinn]

Glad I'm not going completely mental.

Just a leettle bit lacking sharpness of sanity because it's a pretty insane situation in defence at Arsenal. All the years we've known the defence is lacking both in terms of players and the tactics and nothing done about it. We brought TV in and one more significant CB at that moment could have made all the difference. We've done the same again this season. It's actually worrying now how much faith everyone is pinning on Mertesacker before he's even played a game, but let's just hope that works out. Flavs makes the point Kos has done as well as any other of our defenders and that's true enough. It;s also the main problem, doing as well as any of our defenders doesn't make you a good defender. Most of our players are 90% good enough, that's the problem. That 10% we are lacking costs us over and over again. It's not just a case of us being unable to compete for the big names. Cahill has only really become a big(ish) name in the last season, we looked at him last season and wouldn't pay the lower price. Cahill's an average PL CB from what I can see. He's sound. He doesn't have those flaws that Kos and JD demonstrate. We should have signed him, we needed him. But Wenger's doing it again, investing his hope in flawed players who aren't suited to this league. And we'll inevitable get the same result as last time.

[Letters]

Stepanovs was better than him.

[Niall_Quinn]

We'll get him in Jan.

And if not then Wenger has to walk

The damage will have been done by January.

[Cripps_orig]

Like i said, conveniently forget the good run of games he had, something which Kos hasnt had.

Good wumming though

[Cripps_orig]

The damage will have been done by January.

Yes but hopefully Cahills signing can save us from relegation

[Darth Vela]

Just a leettle bit lacking sharpness of sanity because it's a pretty insane situation in defence at Arsenal. All the years we've known the defence is lacking both in terms of players and the tactics and nothing done about it. We brought TV in and one more significant CB at that moment could have made all the difference. We've done the same again this season. It's actually worrying now how much faith everyone is pinning on Mertesacker before he's even played a game, but let's just hope that works out. Flavs makes the point Kos has done as well as any other of our defenders and that's true enough. It;s also the main problem, doing as well as any of our defenders doesn't make you a good defender. Most of our players are 90% good enough, that's the problem. That 10% we are lacking costs us over and over again. It's not just a case of us being unable to compete for the big names. Cahill has only really become a big(ish) name in the last season, we looked at him last season and wouldn't pay the lower price. Cahill's an average PL CB from what I can see. He's sound. He doesn't have those flaws that Kos and JD demonstrate. We should have signed him, we needed him. But Wenger's doing it again, investing his hope in flawed players who aren't suited to this league. And we'll inevitable get the same result as last time.

Rather have Cahill than Djourou, no argument there but the major problem has been lack of organisation at the back as we only had one defender that could take a bit of responsibiltiy on that front, adding one more makes our options at the back a lot more secure, one of Merts or Vermaelen can form a good partnership with Kos and maybe help keep Djourou's head in the right place (i.e. out of the place it seems to get stuck in).Ofc, if it turns out Mertesacker is shit then we're in trouble.

[Niall_Quinn]

Rather have Cahill than Djourou, no argument there but the major problem has been lack of organisation at the back as we only had one defender that could take a bit of responsibiltiy on that front, adding one more makes our options at the back a lot more secure, one of Merts or Vermaelen can form a good partnership with Kos and maybe help keep Djourou's head in the right place (i.e. out of the place it seems to get stuck in).Ofc, if it turns out Mertesacker is shit then we're in trouble.

But don't we have a track record of Kos being shaky (if we are kind)? I agree we have no choices now and we go with what we've got. I wonder when the club knew TV needed surgery? Before or after the transfer window closed? If it was before then Wenger is again saying Kos is good enough to start for us, or maybe JD is good enough. I think they have clearly demonstrated they are nowhere near good enough. Not sure what Wenger is looking for or what he sees in them. He also appears to count Squillaci as a viable option when he speaks about us having enough CBs at the club. This is the heart of it. Wenger says one thing and all the evidence contradicts him.