Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Power n Glory]

When all you do is finish 4th with the 4th highest budget in the league (and for a long time the 3rd, before City got minted). It is hard to award yourself the title of genius.

The man has achieved the minimum expected of any decent manager with his means. He is limited by his own incompetence and yearly accruing arrogance. He wont win the CL in another 20 attempts. Its just not within him, given the opportunity he will always find a way to handicap himself

It's an argument Letter's continues to preach but in those years is he seriously saying we shouldn't be finishing above teams like Everton, Spurs, Newcastle and the rest? They've never had players that come close to matching what we've had even at our weakest.

The genuine threat to 4th place has come now that we have to look out for Liverpool and Utd. We were lucky United did so poorly last season or we'd have never qualified for CL football.

It's time for Wenger to step down. As the competition in the Prem gets harder and teams progress, he gets worse or exposed.

[Power n Glory]

So to sum it up unless there is someone who can be brought in who represents a positive move forward from Wenger than he stays for me.

The competition will only get together and we'll soon find ourselves outside of the top 4 if Wenger continues on and then we'll be forced to bring in a new manager without champions league revenue. We take too long with this decision and we'll be looking for a manger from a weakened position instead of a strong one.

It's like putting off fixing a leaky roof.

[Globalgunner]

It's an argument Letter's continues to preach but in those years is he seriously saying we shouldn't be finishing above teams like Everton, Spurs, Newcastle and the rest? They've never had players that come close to matching what we've had even at our weakest.

The genuine threat to 4th place has come now that we have to look out for Liverpool and Utd. We were lucky United did so poorly last season or we'd have never qualified for CL football.

It's time for Wenger to step down. As the competition in the Prem gets harder and teams progress, he gets worse or exposed.

The only thing Letters is seriously saying is that the most likely successor to Wenger would be a Moyes look alike. He has however been saying that since before Moyes was a wee bairn. so you need to take that in consideration.

[mr_brighterside]

Yes, that IS the difficulty.
We do need change. Some would say 'change, we need'. But we don't want to get into changing manager every 5 minutes and for all the rhetoric about Wenger's bumbling incompetence you don't finish top 4 every year by luck and we did just win the FA Cup. He's no Moyes.

Although Moyes is similarly highly regarded for consistently getting in the top 6 on a low budget....

I doubt any would say he is clueless. However there is a difference between good and world class. I still fear he'll be remembered for an ending like Brian Clough, fading away a decade after a glory period.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The competition will only get together and we'll soon find ourselves outside of the top 4 if Wenger continues on and then we'll be forced to bring in a new manager without champions league revenue. We take too long with this decision and we'll be looking for a manger from a weakened position instead of a strong one.

Every year the media has predicted we would finish outside the top four, and every year that has failed to materialise. And at the risk of stating the obvious he is here until 2017 whatever we want to happen, and frankly whatever we say about Wenger he will be leaving the club in a much better state than Ferguson did when he retired.
For me Martinez represents too much of a risk because he hasn't managed a club at the top echelons of football (and even Wenger who was an unknown when he came to us in 1996 had managed in Europe with Monaco), if we were to replace Wenger sooner rather than later my shortlist would be Jurgen Klopp, Rudi Garcia and Joachim Low...get one of those to come to us and yes i'd change my vote.

No point fixing a leaky roof (to use your analogy) without having the proper tools as your disposal to fix the roof otherwise your going to make the leak worse.

[Power n Glory]

Every year the media has predicted we would finish outside the top four, and every year that has failed to materialise. And at the risk of stating the obvious he is here until 2017 whatever we want to happen, and frankly whatever we say about Wenger he will be leaving the club in a much better state than Ferguson did when he retired.
For me Martinez represents too much of a risk because he hasn't managed a club at the top echelons of football (and even Wenger who was an unknown when he came to us in 1996 had managed in Europe with Monaco), if we were to replace Wenger sooner rather than later my shortlist would be Jurgen Klopp, Rudi Garcia and Joachim Low...get one of those to come to us and yes i'd change my vote.

No point fixing a leaky roof (to use your analogy) without having the proper tools as your disposal to fix the roof otherwise your going to make the leak worse.

I don't really care about what the media say when it comes to us. They often talk shit and when do we ever take their word as gospel?

Do you honestly think we're punching above our weight when we finish above Spurs, Newcastle, Everton, Villa and whoever else? Wenger up against coaches like (past and present) Moyes, Pardew, Redknapp, AVB, Martinez..etc??? Be honest!

A lot can happen in 3 years and there are no guarantees Wenger will leave a better squad compared to Fergie. For starters, both of our starting CB's are 29 so they're not exactly spring chickens. Theo is coming to the end of his contract and we have no idea how those contract talks will go. Cazorla is getting on, I doubt Ozil will be around and if we continue on this sort of form I'm sure a couple of our star performers will be looking for the exit as usual. A lot can change in 3 years under Wenger's watch. Check the history.

I still don't get why you think those managers are out of our reach? We're an attractive proposition as a club. This isn't Newcastle so of course the we have the proper tools at our disposal. You're talking as if there is nobody out there at all.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Maybe you should respond to what i've said rather than what you think i've said, i don't think i've said we are punching above our weight finishing above the likes of everton and spurs what i am saying is....getting a new manager in can have a destabilising effect and could leave us in danger of finishing below said teams (like Man United).
I also never said Klopp, Low and Garcia were unavaliable to us (I said i thought Klopp might have been a bit of a reach in the summer because Man City and Barcelona were also being linked with him in another post). I simply made the point if we could guarantee bringing one of those three in to replace Wenger i'd go for it, if not than i'd feel more inclined to play it safe.

Also Man United have one of the biggest reputations in the world, and yet were saddled with Moyes when Ferguson left...yes partly because Ferguson recommended him (out of hubris no doubt) but also because it's sometimes incredibly difficult to get top quality managers away from their contracts at other clubs.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Also i am saying if Wenger went today, the squad as it is would need much less of an overhaul than Ferguson's cavalcade of averageness that his successors inherited.

[Letters]

The only thing Letters is seriously saying is that the most likely successor to Wenger would be a Moyes look alike.

Nope, didn't say that at all

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

The only thing Letters is seriously saying is that the most likely successor to Wenger would be a Moyes look alike.

Spot on.