i think there is a prestige that goes to being in Europe's premier competition along with the money, but it's clear we should be doing better in the competition (Martin Samuel actually having a point about our being seeded for the competition, how are we seeded and Dortmund aren't?)
It always used to be that we were virtually impregnable at home no matter who we played, but it was our away form that sank us....now we seem to get equally roughed up at the Emirates which is disheartening.
Time for him to go. He is stubborn, self centred and an egotist. The signings over the Summer were good, but his failure to strengthen our defense highlights his inability to see the full picture.
The last CL game that I really enjoyed was the game we beat Barca in. That was a magical CL night!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Fair enough,
I've enjoyed the odd few and here since then, although ultimately futile on both counts the home game against AC Milan and the away game against Bayern Munich where we won 3-0 and 2-0 respectively hold fond memories for me
The Napoli game at home where we kill the game off in the first fifteen minutes and a really electric atmosphere at the stadium, and the away game in Dortmund last season where a very similar team to the one that got spanked on Tuesday put in a wonderfully committed and spirited display and nicked a 1-0 win.
But i can see your point, the home game against Barcelona is for me the best Arsenal game to have been played at the Emirates.
I thought about the Bayern and Milan game as well, however, my opinion is that those games were killed off in the first leg itself and the other teams were just complacent. A lot of people may disagree with that statement though.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
I would agree but Bayern took a two nil lead into their second leg against Juventus in the quarter final, and won 2-0 in the second leg in Turin. They then obviously took a 4-0 lead against Barcelona into the Nou Camp and won 3-0 there.
Against Bayern had we not taken an early lead we probably would have drawn only like last season but that's how games go.
AC Milan....we should never have been 4-0 down in the tie in the first place, even in the season after we lost Fabregas, Nasri etc i still feel we were a better side than them.
I think these results illustrate my frustration with Wenger, that i think there is an ability to mastermind excellent tactical performances that see us pick up fantastic results down the years. For example we didn't win the league at Old Trafford in 2002 purely because we were the better side, we actually had a lot of injuries and suspensions for that game (Henry being the notable one) but we played to draw the sting out of United and then hit them on the break.
I think his major failing is this fixation with us emulating Barcelona's two-three touch football, we have never been able to master it without looking toothless....we have never been able to pass teams to death, the genius of our play under Wenger was quick one touch passing counter thrusts which would annhilate the opposistion through pace and precision.
It's relevant because the Anyone but Wenger brigade fly into a panic and say if we don't sack him now we will finish outside the top four (which seems a bit contradictory as many of them proclaim that they don't care whether we qualify for the Champions League because we fail to make our mark on the competition anyway).Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
You seemed to be implying (i could be wrong) that we were overacheiving by getting into 4th, clearly not what i think but i was also alluding to how you had stated that the top managers were unavaliable to us and using that as a reason not to get rid of Wenger. When actually what i said is that we want to make sure one of those top manager is avaliable to us before we took the steps to displacing him.
None of is under any illusion that Wenger will magically change his ways, i don't believe for a second he is incompitent his problem is intransigence....arguably the difference between that and neglect/incompitence is pretty superficial when you look at how much he earns and some of the perilous situations we find ourselves in, of his making. The simple fact is that Wenger has been here 18 years, and i'm entitled to want a guarantee of something better (which i'm not convinced at this moment Martinez represents) in order to make a change.
Where as i think too many people are entrenched in personal animus against Wenger, that anything represents a positive change from him.
Best thing that could happen is UEFA change the policy so only the top 2 teams from the premier league gain automatic qualification for the champions league.
And then the Banks will pay back the bail out money they owe Western Governments
ISIS will release all their hostages and release a press statement saying they are committed to Openness, Secularism and Democracy
The Republicans in the House of Representatives will start working with President Obama to get legislation passed
Henry Kissinger will stand trial for war crimes committed against the peoples of Cambodia and Indonesia
Robert Mugabe will leave office of his own volition
And the lame will walk, and the blind will see.....
Anyway you can see where i'm going with this.
It should only be the champions.
There is a clue in the name.
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