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    Hebert – Last season you were saying we didn’t have the funds to buy a striker and bulk up the squad in the January because we had spent all our money on Ozil. This year the excuse for Wenger is the Board hanging him out to dry and he’s doing them a ‘favour’ by signing an extension. Really? We’re supposed to feel sorry for him as if he’s being forced to do this ‘shitty job’? I’ve heard it all. Excuse after excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Gazidis is interested in self preservation

    What incentive does he have to put the boot in on the manager, when the manager has the unquestioned backing of the chairman and the majority shareholder and the majority shareholders son (a trinity of for fuck sake)
    Gazidis has removed himself from the spotlight. Wenger's used the 'financial restriction' argument for yeas and that had placed Gazidis directly in the crosshair of angry fans. Now, since he's done the new sponsorship deals and made it very public, there can be no more excuses from Wenger. The financial part of the game is Ivan's domain and he's delivering. The backroom staff, the injury problems, he's hired new blood so Wenger can't say we're not doing enough to support him in that area either.

    The board would often tell the fans Wenger had a 'war chest' and they'd look like complete tools when another window would pass without us spending. The assumption always was that they were holding funds back and poor poor old Wenger was powerless. Now look at last season and this season in particular and it says a lot. We have money and he's chosen not to spend in the right areas. Again. Even if he did spend, he has no idea how to rotate a squad and make use of what he has.

    Gazdis has always said we don't restrict the manager and we have obvious limitations but do what we can to help. I believe that because why in the world would they risk pissing off their golden goose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Hebert – Last season you were saying we didn’t have the funds to buy a striker and bulk up the squad in the January because we had spent all our money on Ozil. This year the excuse for Wenger is the Board hanging him out to dry and he’s doing them a ‘favour’ by signing an extension. Really? We’re supposed to feel sorry for him as if he’s being forced to do this ‘shitty job’? I’ve heard it all. Excuse after excuse.
    My comment was purely based on someone saying he will need to be pushed because he won't jump

    My point is in his own deluded mind he is doing everyone a favour and not leaving us in the lurch, my point is that I don't think it would take much as people might think for him to go

    It's not a case of not blaming Wenger, I'm just saying the main reason he is still here is that I believe Gazidis convinced him to stay, the board are 100% happy with him and
    When Wenger goes they are still here with their questionable motives and judgement

    I don't feel the slightest bit of sympathy for Wenger, but his attitude in press conferences seems to indicate a man that wouldn't need prising away
    Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 05-11-2014 at 05:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Apart from City, United or Chelsea...Wenger would have kept his job

    Despite our increased spending power we are in a lower financial tier to these clubs

    I've no doubt his bumper salary and the lack of accountability is a big pull for him, but i cant believe the fan abuse (justified abuse) and probably knowing deep down he can't hack it anymore wasn't responsible for him waiting till the last minute to sign a new contract.
    They are our direct rivals.

    Look I can accept that we have been financially handicapped in the past, not anymore. I accept that City & Chelsea have bigger budgets than us, what I dont accept is our manager continually neglecting areas of the team/squad. He literally had no excuses this summer not to strenghten the necessary problem positions. At the very least he should be making the requisite tactical changes to address the deficiences. The collapse like last night was all too common, wenger builds team that collapse like this. I dont even think he should be given time, things are not going to change with him in charge, his approach is too flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    They are our direct rivals.

    Look I can accept that we have been financially handicapped in the past, not anymore. I accept that City & Chelsea have bigger budgets than us, what I dont accept is our manager continually neglecting areas of the team/squad. He literally had no excuses this summer not to strenghten the necessary problem positions. At the very least he should be making the requisite tactical changes to address the deficiences. The collapse like last night was all too common, wenger builds team that collapse like this. I dont even think he should be given time, things are not going to change with him in charge, his approach is too flawed.
    I still can't understand why he's not playing Chambers at CB and giving Bellerin a run at RB or at least Coquelin or Flamini if he wants some sort of experience there. At least they've actually played in the position.

    Monreal doesn't even have the stature to play CB and has never played there before joining us. It makes no sense but it's the type of thing he does all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    They are our direct rivals.

    Look I can accept that we have been financially handicapped in the past, not anymore. I accept that City & Chelsea have bigger budgets than us, what I dont accept is our manager continually neglecting areas of the team/squad. He literally had no excuses this summer not to strenghten the necessary problem positions. At the very least he should be making the requisite tactical changes to address the deficiences. The collapse like last night was all too common, wenger builds team that collapse like this. I dont even think he should be given time, things are not going to change with him in charge, his approach is too flawed.
    Apart from City and Chelsea I'd ask which teams in the summer addressed the deficiencies in their squad

    It's not saying Wenger hasn't blundered because he has, unfortunately I believe in order to get the balanced squad we have been crying out for you need to have a budget like Chelsea or Man City

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I still can't understand why he's not playing Chambers at CB and giving Bellerin a run at RB or at least Coquelin or Flamini if he wants some sort of experience there. At least they've actually played in the position.

    Monreal doesn't even have the stature to play CB and has never played there before joining us. It makes no sense but it's the type of thing he does all the time.
    The decision to send Jenkinson on loan seems an incredibly strange one

    Fair enough if you were going to make more defensive signings but we didnt

    I'd rather see Chambers at centre back than at right back as well, but nothing I've seen of Bellerin makes me confident of him at right back.

    Mertesacker also needs to be dropped but we can't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I still can't understand why he's not playing Chambers at CB and giving Bellerin a run at RB or at least Coquelin or Flamini if he wants some sort of experience there. At least they've actually played in the position.

    Monreal doesn't even have the stature to play CB and has never played there before joining us. It makes no sense but it's the type of thing he does all the time.
    He does it because he thinks he can get away with it and afterwards people will be praising his genius at getting by again without spending. He sees what Barcelona have done to some extent with Mascherano and thinks...Hey i can do that too. Firstly Mascherano is a supremely talented player but even he has his limitations there, secondly Barca are a much better team allround than us. Mascherano only gets found out when Barca play the best teams because Messi and co will blitz most teams to the point of rendering defence superfluous.

    But most importantly it is an unnecessary complication of a simple solution. He needed a new defender to replace the experienced Vermaelen, but didnt buy one, only Chambers who he has played mostly at RB. Even Hayden would be better than Monreal at this time, give him the experience but better still buy a good enough 25 year old. There are plenty enough out there without having to list names. I seriously believe we missed a trick not buying Diame who left West ham for a pittance. He has all the attributes to play anywhere in midfield. but no. He wants to make sure his favourites play and play ALL the time. This is the same manager who will trot out excuses like tiredness. WTF!. You play the same 11 in literally every game and you claim they could be tired. I will not be surprised if he doesnt buy a defender in January, especially if Koscielny comes back. He will then conclude that a new defender isnt needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Apart from City and Chelsea I'd ask which teams in the summer addressed the deficiencies in their squad

    It's not saying Wenger hasn't blundered because he has, unfortunately I believe in order to get the balanced squad we have been crying out for you need to have a budget like Chelsea or Man City
    Seriously???. You need a billionaire before you can buy someone like Reid from W-ham or Caulker. Please if you accept that he's messed up stop finding excuses for him, especially ones that have little merit. Our 2 central defenders played at the WC, had little or no rest before this season and he still wouldn't buy a replacement for Vermaelen. You dont have to spend 30m in every position to have a great team. Teams on 1/5 of our budget have given Chelsea harder games than we ever could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Seriously???. You need a billionaire before you can buy someone like Reid from W-ham or Caulker. Please if you accept that he's messed up stop finding excuses for him, especially ones that have little merit. Our 2 central defenders played at the WC, had little or no rest before this season and he still wouldn't buy a replacement for Vermaelen. You dont have to spend 30m in every position to have a great team. Teams on 1/5 of our budget have given Chelsea harder games than we ever could.
    It's a poor excuse. I could accept that argument if we looked comfortable dealing with the smaller teams but always came unstuck against our big spending rivals. But yesterday's result isn't even a shock anymore. It happens far top often and we'll struggle against any team that has a well thought out game plan.

    Around the Cesc era, we had a season or two where we'd beat or put up a serious good fight against the big spenders but were very complacent against the lower league teams, so I don't think it's just a case of money. Even if Wenger had billions to spend in the window, he's spend it on the wrong sort of players, play them out of position or leave really good players on the bench until there is an all out mutiny. He'd never be able to cope with the sort of egos our rivals have to
    cope with.

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