Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Dein-machine]

I have literally no idea who that is. Sorry, I really don't follow football that closely.
As a general principle though I'd be wary of changing managers mid-season.

You don't follow football that closely! - then I must apologise for some of my sarcastic responses to you in the past - should have realised that your views on the Mighty Wenger could only come from someone who's football knowledge was somewhat limited.
So, your general principle would be to NOT get rid of Wenger at the moment which I suggest equates to you wanting Wenger to stay - therefore you are not on the same page as most of us. How many more years do you want to waste?

[Letters]

So, your general principle would be to NOT get rid of Wenger at the moment which I suggest equates to you wanting Wenger to stay

Well no, those two things aren't the same. I don't want Wenger to stay, but I don't want us to do something which puts us in a worse position.
To pick up fakeyank's (not very good, IMO) analogy of someone in an abusive relationship, you might want to get out of said relationship but extricating yourself may not be simple, if it's a long relationship, and you don't want to do so on a way which leaves you in a worse position.

If you want Wenger to be gone NOW with no plan as to who to replace him with, so basically have a caretaker manager, then no we're not on the same page.
IMO that would put us in a worse position, at least in the short term, so I can't see any sense in it.

I'll ignore your childish first sentence...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ok - We get the chance to take Paul Clements from Madrid next month & Wenger has agreed to a move upstairs to oversee other issues for a couple of years to see out his contract. Do we do it or not?

Hmmm interesting proposition

I've read things about Paul Clement that make me think he'd suit us very well, but there is an air of uncertainty over a man who has never taken the reigns himself at club level

Basically I think this season is a write off anyway, if we wanted someone like Clement to replace Wenger I still think it'd be better to wait until the end of the season instead of chucking him in at the deep end.

[Dein-machine]

Well no, those two things aren't the same. I don't want Wenger to stay, but I don't want us to do something which puts us in a worse position.
To pick up fakeyank's (not very good, IMO) analogy of someone in an abusive relationship, you might want to get out of said relationship but extricating yourself may not be simple, if it's a long relationship, and you don't want to do so on a way which leaves you in a worse position.

If you want Wenger to be gone NOW with no plan as to who to replace him with, so basically have a caretaker manager, then no we're not on the same page.
IMO that would put us in a worse position, at least in the short term, so I can't see any sense in it.

I'll ignore your childish first sentence...

IMO whoever replaces Wenger has to see our obvious weaknesses & will have to address them. Even if Bouldy took over for the rest of the season he would have to strengthen us in Jan whereas I'm not sure Wenger will. With the quality already in the team strengthening us defensively inc a proper DM can only result in more points. Our football may change, become less tippy-tappy & more direct but again I think this would be good for us. IMO this would give us more chance of a top 4 finish than leaving Wenger to do fuck all in Jan to sort us out defensively & continue to shit himself against the big clubs & drop points to the pubbers.

[Dein-machine]

Hmmm interesting proposition

I've read things about Paul Clement that make me think he'd suit us very well, but there is an air of uncertainty over a man who has never taken the reigns himself at club level

Basically I think this season is a write off anyway, if we wanted someone like Clement to replace Wenger I still think it'd be better to wait until the end of the season instead of chucking him in at the deep end.

We should all know by now that every season Wenger is in charge is a write-off. We cannot progress under this man, i'm not interested in the fact that he finally won us a trophy last year - when it comes to the titles we're actually interested in we simply don't have the quality or tactics to compete.
I differ from you on the issue of putting a new guy in at the end of the year. If we are writing this season off already, which I do agree with, why would it be a problem. The worst that could happen is that his new style etc takes time to kick in & we may well lose out on a C.L. place, but this could happen under Wenger anyway. If a C.L. place means Wenger staying another year then its hardly worth being in it anyway.
If the new guy was given 5 months to bed in it would mean the transition had started, he could spend pre-season signing the players he needs, he would already have a squad used to his style of play & wouldn't then be starting a new season as a novice.

[Niall_Quinn]

We should all know by now that every season Wenger is in charge is a write-off.

Apart from last season.

[Dein-machine]

Apart from last season.

Why - because we won the FA Cup, pubing through the semi's & final, proudly taking over as holders from the mighty Wigan.

[Letters]

Why - because we won the FA Cup, pubing through the semi's & final, proudly taking over as holders from the mighty Wigan.

*sigh*

I went through this with someone else the other day but, in brief, the mighty Wigan beat City in the final which was a shock result.
And Portsmouth won it one time (vs Millwall, wasn't it?) in a freak season when none of the top sides made it to the final.
Every other year in recent memory it's been a top side winning it. Of course the nature of the cup, any cup, is that shock results can happen on the day which doesn't guarantee a top side winning it but in the last 20 years those are the only 2 notable exceptions to the rule that it always has been.
And we did play 3 of the top 6 on the way to the semi-final. All at home, granted, but we earned our place.
You can't beat Wenger with the stick of not winning trophies and then dismiss it when we do win one.

[Xhaka Can’t]

There is NEVER a middle ground here. I think he's the best manager in world history.

:eek:

[Letters]

Hoisted on my own petard